Dan Punchard:
I think it was 1992 when limiters came in ,no doubt it was a Eu directive ,my dad had a D reg E14 ,his mate had a E reg that had one on.
that sounds about right, I worked at kays from 1990 and limiters were being fitted one after another, the original set speed was 60 mph, the reason older trucks have them is as they had to be retro fitted back to a certain date in 1988, that’s why some E reg trucks have them and some don’t, later on all limiters had to be re calibrated to 85 k’s plus or minus 6, that’s how you get 56 @ 91k’s
Blooming limiter on mine was set at 52 mph which was a pain on motorways! Being high geared with an overdrive Fuller it could do that easily in seventh gear. Funnily enough the day after I was given a months notice I was pulled on the A515 between Newchurch and Yoxhall for doing 50 in a 40 limit (wished then it had been set at 40!) got let off with a caution by a decent copper though as I told him I was working my notice.
I dont know boys, i,ve got a weird feeling that you lot with E and F plates probably had your limiters retro fitted. i had a brand new BRS merc 1626 tractor unit and there was,nt anything on that and a brand new leyland roadtrain 265BHP and nothing on that.
I can remember having a new scania, running on a L plate with the limiter being introduced, . if you pushed the heater to max heat and almost max blower, then set it to vents (closing them 1st) you would find that the 56 MPH would slowly creep up to 58/59 MPH after 10 or 15 minutes !!
of course you could just pull the seal wax of the fuse in the box
switchlogic:
To slow people like my Dad down! Who used to charge down the outside lane of the M4 foot planted on the floor all the way to get from West Wales to tip Smithfield Market and get back in time to put a full shift in as the main mechanic in the garage! Wasn’t it Michael Howard who did that famous speech about limiters where he talked about ‘Juggernaut’s thundering down on unsuspecting motorists’
No it was Malcolm Rifkin I remember him harpin on about those big lorries pushing him along the middle lane.
YES! That was him, I can hear his whiney nasel voice now
That is what should of happened years ago. why would you limit slow moving vehicles for people who drive every day, have taken an extensive training course, successfully passed a test by an authorised examiner, have to go through 35 hours of verbal diarrareah and have a full medical every 5 years…
But allow joe public to drive 20 minutes in the morning/ 20 minutes afternoon and an hour or two on the weekend in a vehicle that can do 0-60MPH in 6.2 seconds and have a top speed of 121 MPH with no regard what so ever to defensive driving, having passed a test which has no bearing on todays modern cars…
I agree GBD, also if limiters were brought in to cut down on exhaust emissions and improve road safety ie to curb speed and are fitted to the half a million or so trucks and also coaches, wonder why they have never been fitted to the twenty eight million or so cars on the roads!
GBD:
That is what should of happened years ago. why would you limit slow moving vehicles for people who drive every day, have taken an extensive training course, successfully passed a test by an authorised examiner, have to go through 35 hours of verbal diarrareah and have a full medical every 5 years…
But allow joe public to drive 20 minutes in the morning/ 20 minutes afternoon and an hour or two on the weekend in a vehicle that can do 0-60MPH in 6.2 seconds and have a top speed of 121 MPH with no regard what so ever to defensive driving, having passed a test which has no bearing on todays modern cars…
windrush:
…how he used to be in the outside lane of the M1 doing 80+ with a Dodge artic and still getting in the way of Midland Red buses!
There’s an oft-quoted story about Midland Red, when they used to build their own buses way back when, which says that some of the early motorway coaches they had when the M1 first opened were capable of the ton. How true this is I don’t know but I imagine it would have led to blow-outs and goodness knows what else if driven at 90+ for a prolonged period.
That said anyone who has driven coaches from the late-70s and early- to mid-80s will know that some of the foreign-made ones were no slouches back then, Volvo B10Ms were good for 80 and I’m sure they weren’t the only ones. You’d get shot for that kind of thing now.
Never mind the Coaches, one word for drivers of a certain age ,‘Standwick’, I think that’s how it was spelt, double deckers in the 60’s.
Aaah, Standwick and Midland Red. I’ve been up the mway in a Leyland ergo doing a good 70 and when those boys went past, they nearly blew yer doors off
Funnily enough, although I hate the idea of limiters, we had 180 Fodens on Yardleys that did 52 flat out, but took just about the same time, London to Leeds as the Leylands.
I’ve been with me old dad as a kid when he drove a Leyland Comet, can’t remember the model but it had the old mouth organ grille. I can well remember looking over to see the needle well off the clock. That was yiddle davis he worked for… say no more eh.
It was STANDERWICK and they were part of RIBBLE. They ran the ‘Gay Hostess’ double deck coach service and were expected to cruise at 70 mph on the M1, however one coach overturned when the driver swerved to avoid a lamp standard that had fallen across the motorway and things changed after that. The newer coaches were only designed to cruise at 64 mph apparently. Plenty of interesting info on the tinternet.
Dan Punchard:
I think it was 1992 when limiters came in ,no doubt it was a Eu directive ,my dad had a D reg E14 ,his mate had a E reg that had one on.
that sounds about right, I worked at kays from 1990 and limiters were being fitted one after another, the original set speed was 60 mph, the reason older trucks have them is as they had to be retro fitted back to a certain date in 1988, that’s why some E reg trucks have them and some don’t, later on all limiters had to be re calibrated to 85 k’s plus or minus 6, that’s how you get 56 @ 91k’s
Transport Secretary Malcolm Rifkind dropped the bombshell two weeks ago that from August 1992 limiters would have to be fitted to tractive units up to four years old, as well as to all new HGVs
Read more at archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … fXbVV8B.99
windrush:
It was STANDERWICK and they were part of RIBBLE. They ran the ‘Gay Hostess’ double deck coach service and were expected to cruise at 70 mph on the M1, however one coach overturned when the driver swerved to avoid a lamp standard that had fallen across the motorway and things changed after that. The newer coaches were only designed to cruise at 64 mph apparently. Plenty of interesting info on the tinternet.
Pete.
Hiya Pete…that coach that tipped over also started the ban on double deckers on motorways.i do know you
see some now but only odd ones. the 1 and half deck things got put into use to get round the double deck ban.
John
Hiya Pete…that coach that tipped over also started the ban on double deckers on motorways.i do know you
see some now but only odd ones. the 1 and half deck things got put into use to get round the double deck ban.
John
Double decker coaches banned from motorways ■■? - I can’t find any proof of this
Hiya Pete…that coach that tipped over also started the ban on double deckers on motorways.i do know you
see some now but only odd ones. the 1 and half deck things got put into use to get round the double deck ban.
John
Double decker coaches banned from motorways ■■? - I can’t find any proof of this
You’ll need to go back to about 1974 when the crash happened. double deckers was banned
from operating with passengers.
A couple of different versions on the net, one says that the coach avoided a fallen lamp post and the other a jacknifed artic! Both agree the date, July 1974, and that three passengers were killed, however one report says that the Transport Minister at the time tried to ban coaches from the outside lane but it didn’t actually happen until the 90’s as we all remember.
