We may be taking two diggers to spain (we r prising it atm) customer has requested our company to do it no subbies… i have myself done a couple of spanish runs but only with a taut and were both on the portsmouth santander boat.
Im guessin the standard height in spain is 4m? but we think on our low loader these diggers will run at approx 4.4ish meters, can you get permits to run through spain at this height? or is it not a prob? and will it b a prob through france? 2nd thing… the destination is malaga, roughly how long does this take? and wot sort of price will tolls be?
last thing now… its gonna b in an double drive actross, its a euro 3 will this cause any probs along the way?
Actually one more thing… sorry… we are a recovery company, how do you think this will stand with the spanish? i know from last time i went they like the letter to say about tachos… normally we dont use um for are local stuff so chances are by the time i go i still wont ov used one, will the letter thing be ok to exsplain i have not had the need to use tacho for more than 28 days… i can see that cause a bit of a to-do with the spanish??
Of corse… we do take cars to germany and sweeden, just never hauled diggers across before… amazing, we been going 65 years and never moved plant across the water before, hence the naivety… we prob wont even get the job to be fair, im Guessing we wont be able to hit a good prise on it… or make anythink… You can only try.
4.4m won’t be a prob in Spain & shouldn’t be in France. But officially it’s 4.0m so if you get measured you get nicked.
Letter ref tachos essential & must be in Spanish. & the official eu attestation not something you knock up in the office yerself.
i cant remember the exsact width… but we hav measured it up with the trl and its not wider or longer… everything else apart from the height we r ok with… and the tolls and other questions i asked of corse
I know about the letter thingy, its an official doc, and it needs to be in spanish and english i beleave… just wondered what ppl thought the spanish would make of us not using tachos all the time? and the idea is not to get nicked, hence why i asked about permits or if anyone knew the actual law■■? lol… dont wanna spend the trip sulking in jail with a spanish ■■■■■■ lol! people must do stuff like this, surly?
it’s an attestation letter to cover the missing tachos.
you can pay the tolls on your credit/fuel card. but the easiest way is to get a tag. it covers france and spain.
AS24 can sort out the tag.
Don’t know about Spain but in France the height of bridges that have to be signed is 4.4 mtrs. I used to run megas with a standard height unit (height peaked at 4.35 - 4.4 mtr) down to Bordeaux and beyond on a weekly basis.
Yes,you will need an activity attestation form,you can down load from the net,the fine for no records of the last 28 days is 2300 euros,it must be more than that now,more like 3000 euros,as i got nicked fot it on the peage at Irun by the red cap traffic police,i had to wait 7 days to raise the cash,by drawing the ATM limit and use some running money.
The boss refunded the fine as i asked for the form,but he hand wrote on it making it false in their eyes of the law.
It is likely that once you have left the Basque area of Northern Spain,you may get controlled by the Guardia Civil traffico,the motor biker coppers have a devilish streak in them.
As far as running at 4.4 metres high goes in Spain you will need a category 1 permit to run legally, this allows you to run up to 4.5 metres high, 3.5 metres wide and 22.5 metres long, you will be restricted to 70km/hour - the permit will state the type of load you are carrying. Additionally the tractor unit will need to be fitted with a rotating orange beacon that can be seen from all directions, as you are not going to be overlength a beacon on the back of the trailer is not neccesary but wont do any harm and will show willing! Strobe beacons are prohibited. A pilot car is not required for cat 1.
You are not allowed to run out of gauge (wide / heavy / high) after 1300hrs saturdays ubtil 0200hrs monday mornings, additionally if you are driving on a tuesday for example and following day (wednesday) is either a national or regional holiday you have to be parked up by 1300 hrs tuesday and cannot move again until 0200hrs thursday morning.
If you ship into Santander from Poole the boat arrives lunchtime on Sunday so you cannot legally leave the port with the load, you can however drop your trailer in the port, but you cannot stay inside the docks in the truck, there are however loads of places to park outside nearby with decent facilities.
Be aware that bridge height signage in Spain is nothing like the UK - the height of the bridge is usually just stencilled on the bridge with little or no previous height warnings.
Hombre:
As far as running at 4.4 metres high goes in Spain you will need a category 1 permit to run legally, this allows you to run up to 4.5 metres high, 3.5 metres wide and 22.5 metres long, you will be restricted to 70km/hour - the permit will state the type of load you are carrying. Additionally the tractor unit will need to be fitted with a rotating orange beacon that can be seen from all directions, as you are not going to be overlength a beacon on the back of the trailer is not neccesary but wont do any harm and will show willing! Strobe beacons are prohibited. A pilot car is not required for cat 1.
You are not allowed to run out of gauge (wide / heavy / high) after 1300hrs saturdays ubtil 0200hrs monday mornings, additionally if you are driving on a tuesday for example and following day (wednesday) is either a national or regional holiday you have to be parked up by 1300 hrs tuesday and cannot move again until 0200hrs thursday morning.
If you ship into Santander from Poole the boat arrives lunchtime on Sunday so you cannot legally leave the port with the load, you can however drop your trailer in the port, but you cannot stay inside the docks in the truck, there are however loads of places to park outside nearby with decent facilities.
Be aware that bridge height signage in Spain is nothing like the UK - the height of the bridge is usually just stencilled on the bridge with little or no previous height warnings.
quite correct but with the permits you need to apply for one in each and every of the regional areas that you go through in this case at least Cantabria, Castilla y Leon, Madrid, Castilla La Mancha and Andalucia which does sound rather daunting but there are companies that specialise in applying for these permits and it usually takes between 1 and 2 weeks to get them all together
I was of the beleif that additional regional permits for Cat 1 were only required in Pais Vasco and Navarra - I have run many times from Santander (Cantabria) through to Catille Leon, Extremadura and on into Andalucia with just one generic permit, with no problems with controls where the permit was checked and the load measured. Maybe lucky?
depends on the load which it is always better to get the necessary permits via one of the companies that specialises in getting them to avoid any unexpected and potentially expensive surprises later
jarvo:
Hi fellas
If you are double manning it it will take you 2 shifts each to malaga. Go Santander way otherwise you will have to go through france on the Convoi Exceptionnel route and that will take 2 days just to reach Irun Believe me I know I done Heavy Haulage on International work for 40 years am now reitired, just Escorting wide loads now.
We may be taking two diggers to spain (we r prising it atm) customer has requested our company to do it no subbies… i have myself done a couple of spanish runs but only with a taut and were both on the portsmouth santander boat.
Im guessin the standard height in spain is 4m? but we think on our low loader these diggers will run at approx 4.4ish meters, can you get permits to run through spain at this height? or is it not a prob? and will it b a prob through france? 2nd thing… the destination is malaga, roughly how long does this take? and wot sort of price will tolls be?
last thing now… its gonna b in an double drive actross, its a euro 3 will this cause any probs along the way?
Actually one more thing… sorry… we are a recovery company, how do you think this will stand with the spanish? i know from last time i went they like the letter to say about tachos… normally we dont use um for are local stuff so chances are by the time i go i still wont ov used one, will the letter thing be ok to exsplain i have not had the need to use tacho for more than 28 days… i can see that cause a bit of a to-do with the spanish??
Vascoingles:
depends on the load which it is always better to get the necessary permits via one of the companies that specialises in getting them to avoid any unexpected and potentially expensive surprises later
You can get a “roving” permit for the rest of Spain but as always you will need an additional one for the Basque area.
Not sure about costs but they aren’t cheap. I’ll have a look at the permits when I get in the truck in the morning
