I would
Rjan:
albion:
Carryfast:
But seriously what’s the problem ?.As Rjan said the only answer can be that it makes them feel good to think that they are over working someone when there’s absolutely no need for it in many cases.That was never my reason. Sometimes Rjan talks bollox and if he said that, it’s a prime example.
I recall discussing the matter of long hours with Carryfast.
I don’t recognise Carryfast’s retelling of my arguments
Sorry I just took-
‘‘Ultimately bosses prefer to hire a small number of the very desperate working long hours for a minimum overall wage ,because if nothing else the rate of exploitation is thus higher’’
-at face value.
Hence my reply at the time-
‘‘So I’m right for the wrong reasons’’ ( I thought it was employers’ NI stamp costs were higher ).‘‘Making one employee work 50 hours per week Mon-Fri or Mon-Sat or Sun-Fri ,rather than two employees working a 3 day week or 3 day-2 day week or 4 on 4 off rota for example.Makes what are basically psychopathic employers feel good.’’
Sounds like the kind of boss you can go down to the yard and see him and he’ll give you an assessment there and then and if he likes you offer a job. No filling out forms, questionnaires, HR formalities etc etc
Muckaway:
So who would work for someone who constructs an advert like this?
indeed.co.uk/m/viewjob?jk=1 … gI-Y_D_BwE
He certainly doesn’t sound like he’s pulling any fiddle - he makes clear the pay and emphasises that it’s all above board legally.
Some have referred to “reduced break”, but I think in the context what he means is “reduced daily rest”, not unlawfully “tipping on break”. Obviously most day drivers aren’t going to be happy about only having 9 hours off (regardless of pay offered), especially with early and (I gather) varying start times.
Perhaps what people sense is that his tone is intemperate, and that so far as he characterises any day driver who doesn’t want 15 hours a day of hectic tipper work as a “lazy git”, there’s a shade of “even ■■■■ Turpin wore a mask, and this boss isn’t wearing a mask”.
That might imply a boss who habitually has unreasonable demands and little respect for his workers, and who has finally been driven to express outrage that workers are leaving or boycotting his firm as a result. Perhaps he is an utter tyrant.
But the advert can be explained as much by a boss simply making clear that his red line is very long hours, and he’s had a series of workers who weren’t willing to accept this. The whiff of arrogance about it can be as easily interpreted as a whiff of desperation.
The man accustomed to working drivers for 15 hours a day is likely to consider anyone who doesn’t to be lazy, whether he says it out loud or not. Many workers who habitually work under such conditions think the same about other workers who won’t.
If you’re an applicant happy with ridiculous hours and aren’t going to infringe on that red line, I certainly see no reason why a man trying to run a going concern is going to give you any other excuse to leave.
Rjan:
Muckaway:
So who would work for someone who constructs an advert like this?
indeed.co.uk/m/viewjob?jk=1 … gI-Y_D_BwEHe certainly doesn’t sound like he’s pulling any fiddle - he makes clear the pay and emphasises that it’s all above board legally.
Some have referred to “reduced break”, but I think in the context what he means is “reduced daily rest”, not unlawfully “tipping on break”. Obviously most day drivers aren’t going to be happy about only having 9 hours off (regardless of pay offered), especially with early and (I gather) varying start times.
Perhaps what people sense is that his tone is intemperate, and that so far as he characterises any day driver who doesn’t want 15 hours a day of hectic tipper work as a “lazy git”, there’s a shade of “even ■■■■ Turpin wore a mask, and this boss isn’t wearing a mask”.
That might imply a boss who habitually has unreasonable demands and little respect for his workers, and who has finally been driven to express outrage that workers are leaving or boycotting his firm as a result. Perhaps he is an utter tyrant.
But the advert can be explained as much by a boss simply making clear that his red line is very long hours, and he’s had a series of workers who weren’t willing to accept this. The whiff of arrogance about it can be as easily interpreted as a whiff of desperation.
The man accustomed to working drivers for 15 hours a day is likely to consider anyone who doesn’t to be lazy, whether he says it out loud or not. Many workers who habitually work under such conditions think the same about other workers who won’t.
If you’re an applicant happy with ridiculous hours and aren’t going to infringe on that red line, I certainly see no reason why a man trying to run a going concern is going to give you any other excuse to leave.
Perhaps he is an utter tyrant.
Or a dedicated professional with a no ■■■■■■■■ tolerance for muppets, after all I would have a guess that this fellows entire life is probably ■■■■■■■ into the venture that is in a position to offer you, what most of the intelligence of this community seem to be a reasonable proposition, a crack at controlling your own destiny in that you get the job done to standard, you would be rewarded.
But also, some of these earnings HAVE to go in to the truck for this to be a long term prospect. So, not just prepared to keep an eye out for you in the here and now, but also the decades to come.
Proper old school.
switchlogic:
Roymondo:
I can’t see an employer like the one in the OP’s advert being anywhere near as accommodating.Speaking from experience I assume…
Roymondo:
I’ve only ever worked for major “logistics specialists” for well over a decade now
I can read - what he mentions in his ad and what others mention on here. I also talk to a lot of drivers who come to work for my employer (being one of the longer serving drivers, they get sent out with me to be shown some of the routes, procedures etc). The impression I get is that some of the “worst offenders” for pushing to the max are small/medium outfits and that by and large the big “logistics operators” are so far up their corporate jacksies regarding “compliance”, political correctness etc that they tend not to do it (as much).
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Yep.
Wtd strictly adhered to at my place.
This is a first for me.
commonrail:
Yep.
Wtd strictly adhered to at my place.
This is a first for me.
Way I see it is it would only be described as ‘‘Strictly adhered to’’ if you were doing a genuine 48 hour week, …and not doing the cop out get out clause of poa, designed and contrived to enable you to basically ignore the genuine reason for it in the first place. 
AndieHyde:
Rjan:
…Perhaps he is an utter tyrant.
Or a dedicated professional with a no [zb] tolerance for muppets, after all I would have a guess that this fellows entire life is probably ■■■■■■■ into the venture that is in a position to offer you, what most of the intelligence of this community seem to be a reasonable proposition, a crack at controlling your own destiny in that you get the job done to standard, you would be rewarded.
Yeah, those silly muppet drivers, thinking they should have time at home with the wife and kids! 
And there is no “control of your destiny” or other Ponzi scheme marketing tosh. The pay is set at the bare minimum anyone will accept for that kind of work under the most extreme sweated hours - perhaps below the minimum, given his apparent difficulty finding people to put up with it.
If you take it, you’re not going to be “rewarded”, you’re going to earn every single penny.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!I’m bot surprised if you think that 9 hours daily rest is enough on a home every day commute type job.It all depends on your definition of decent and it’s clear that yours means a grovelling yes man who’ll say how high when you tell him to jump.
Interesting you choose to ignore the rest of my post 
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!I’m bot surprised if you think that 9 hours daily rest is enough on a home every day commute type job.It all depends on your definition of decent and it’s clear that yours means a grovelling yes man who’ll say how high when you tell him to jump.
Interesting you choose to ignore the rest of my post
'Tis Carryfast we’re talking about. At least he stayed on topic.
For now…
The pay is about the same as supermarkets. If you like earlies - then go for it. If you don’t - then stick to supermarkets like moi I would suggest…
I’ll work 15 hours when required, and don’t pop my card @ the 10 hour mark on night shift like some do with regards to “night time working limits” - which one can opt out of. I don’t think people that “won’t put in the hours” are necessarily “lazy gits”, but rather just have a poor worth ethic. 
Winseer:
The pay is about the same as supermarkets. If you like earlies - then go for it. If you don’t - then stick to supermarkets like moi I would suggest…I’ll work 15 hours when required, and don’t pop my card @ the 10 hour mark on night shift like some do with regards to “night time working limits” - which one can opt out of. I don’t think people that “won’t put in the hours” are necessarily “lazy gits”, but rather just have a poor worth ethic.
One can’t opt out of the ten hour night rule.
That requires a collective agreement.
Aye I would work for someone like that if I lived closer & not tippers although never done them straight talking no nonsense
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!I’m bot surprised if you think that 9 hours daily rest is enough on a home every day commute type job.
Interesting you choose to ignore the rest of my post
The ‘post’ in question being a one sentence reply just saying that 9 hours daily rest would be fair enough regarding the job in question. 
robroy:
commonrail:
Yep.
Wtd strictly adhered to at my place.
This is a first for me.Way I see it is it would only be described as ‘‘Strictly adhered to’’ if you were doing a genuine 48 hour week, …and not doing the cop out get out clause of poa, designed and contrived to enable you to basically ignore the genuine reason for it in the first place.
I’ve never used poa,in my life.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!I’m bot surprised if you think that 9 hours daily rest is enough on a home every day commute type job.
Interesting you choose to ignore the rest of my post
The ‘post’ in question being a one sentence reply just saying that 9 hours daily rest would be fair enough regarding the job in question.
Nice try but no…
What they employer wants? Hasnt a five day week been pretty standard for decades if no centuries. It’s just the normal working week, something you’d never even considered until five minutes ago when you decided you needed a job and five days doesn’t suit so suddenly now you’re some sort of expert on the subject. It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!
I’ve helpfully highlighted in red the rest of that post that you conviniently choose to ignore. You need to up your forum game, you’re slacking old bean
switchlogic:
Nice try but no…switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!
I was clearly only replying to ‘that’ bit in view of your ideas on daily rest periods let alone combined with commuting time.Although obviously less of a deal breaker in the case of only a 3 day week needed.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Nice try but no…switchlogic:
It also matters because as someone who’s been in the business of finding and employing drivers finding one decent driver is a near impossible task let alone two!I was clearly only replying to ‘that’ bit in view of your ideas on daily rest periods let alone combined with commuting time.Although obviously less of a deal breaker in the case of only a 3 day week needed.
Only job share your getting in transport is 4 on 4 off. Nobody is parking a truck up for a few days because you don’t fancy a full week.
You want 3 days a week go agency or with the Royal Mail.
Unless involved with road resurfacing/planing work, when you are at the mercy of other workers wanting overtime or machines breaking down, I can’t imagine many rigid tipper drivers would work 15 hours anyway? I rarely started before 5am, and then only if I was on a long run and was loaded already, and was usually parked up around 5-6 pm at the latest. We never had a day planned in advance though, until we tipped we had no idea where we would be going with the next one (unless we were on return to concrete works etc) so finishing times could vary.
Pete.