So how is that?

If your opinions were made on facts, I would not argue with you.

I only pointing all the places you are wrong, because you are wrong.

Remember: you used to go to Eastern Europe. I lived it for first 26 years of my life and documentated history of my family goes as far back as 1216. And now I am in UK and study, guess what? Central and Eastern European Studies.

I dare to tell that I have much more knowledge on the subject than you. Both from Eastern point of view (back from Poland) and from British point of view (from my Uni).

And even if not, just a brief knowledge of the subject will be sufficient to smell all crap you are talking.

orys:
. And now I am in UK and study, guess what? Central and Eastern European Studies.

I dare to tell that I have much more knowledge on the subject than you. Both from Eastern point of view (back from Poland) and from British point of view (from my Uni).

Well, you see, that’s the whole problem, having Eastern European Studies courses available at universities. What a “shoo-in” for any eastern European.

It would be like me studying “English Cooked Breakfasts” at some University in Peru. “Central and Eastern European Studies” is not a legitimate University course, and exactly the type of thing we need to stop subsidising through our taxes.

Harry Monk:
Well, you see, that’s the whole problem, having Eastern European Studies courses available at universities. What a “shoo-in” for any eastern European.

It would be like me studying “English Cooked Breakfasts” at some University in Peru. “Central and Eastern European Studies” is not a legitimate University course, and exactly the type of thing we need to stop subsidising through our taxes.

Yeah, I see the problem very clearly. You have absolutely no idea about Eastern Europe and you don’t want to learn anything about it. You have milion or so Eastern European migrants living in your country and you don’t want to learn anything about their culture. You have 10 big countries in EU, your potential trade partners, and you don’t want to know anything about them. You have centuries of common history influceincing situation in UK as well as everywhere else in Europe and you are not interested to learn more about it.

You have no idea to such degree that you compare all this to English breakfast studies in Peru which is almost as stupid comparition as saying that because you seen apple falling from the three, you think all physics departaments in UK should be scrapped.

All this decisions of your politicians you moan so much here on this forum: do you think Blair will make a decision to open market for Eastern Europeans if he had sufficient knowledge about situation in Eastern Europe?

This is just one example how significant results can Britiain have for not having experts on that field. Thus by saying “this is not legitimate course” you just showing how nothing you know about it.

As for your ad personam attack: my advantage on that studies is that I am familiar with Eastern way of thinking and that I speak the language, which gives me access to the materials unavailable to my British collegues (unless they studied Polish as well). The field of studies is vast and unlike you, I don’t think that I know anything about it just as you don’t know anything about Britain, and you could study Britain for years and years and still have more and more to learn. You could be right if I was studying Polish liguistic studies - that would have no sense and that would be a waste of money and my time. But this is noit the case.

I have to say that the above statement was one of your most stupid posts so far. I don’t think you would postulate to scrap any English literature, Britisch culture, British economy, British politics and so on from your universities? For sure that makes even less sense, as on my studies there is only few eastern europeans, while on British studies British students are majority. For sure that is even bigger waste of taxpayers money? :slight_smile:

Tomasz Tomasz Tomasz , as much as I respect your view, Harry is right , about the train I agree , on a full train there are maybe 2 British, a couple of spanish and the rest are of east euro extration , always a gaggle of vans on Polish plates and the rest lorries of east euro companies and as I dont understand the language i presume they are east euro drivers.
Hope that is of some help.

Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Tomasz Tomasz Tomasz , as much as I respect your view, Harry is right , about the train I agree , on a full train there are maybe 2 British, a couple of spanish and the rest are of east euro extration , always a gaggle of vans on Polish plates and the rest lorries of east euro companies and as I dont understand the language i presume they are east euro drivers.
Hope that is of some help.

If only I was not using the train regularly, I would propably believe you :wink:

orys:

Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Tomasz Tomasz Tomasz , as much as I respect your view, Harry is right , about the train I agree , on a full train there are maybe 2 British, a couple of spanish and the rest are of east euro extration , always a gaggle of vans on Polish plates and the rest lorries of east euro companies and as I dont understand the language i presume they are east euro drivers.
Hope that is of some help.

If only I was not using the train regularly, I would propably believe you :wink:

Tomasz ok , i dont use the train every week and Harry doesnt use the train every week , it is all been a figment of our imagination , thanks for clearing that up for me . I have obviously been dreaming been on the train every week .
I bow down to your superior knowledge you are obviously a well balanced individual , a little chip on each shoulder does that for some people.

I hope that is of some help.

There is a thread elsewhere asking what a driver needs on a night out. Forty years ago that list would have been very different and would have included a plug. Not a spare plug for the TV or fridge, but a plug for the sink at the digs. East European drivers were a rarity then and most 'foreigners came from North of Hadrians wall, but every digs and every service station had no plugs in the sink.

When I went back to driving in the 90s I went to Blakes. They were buying MAN/EFFs which had radios with removeable fronts. Soon there were none to be found in the trucks and they started to issue and make us sign for them.

There was a simple reason for this: One day some driver stole a plug; maybe just too lazy to go and buy one. The next driver, having set out his kit and finding no plug, yanked one off its chain in the next cubicle. Soon the canny driver ‘aquired’ his own plug so that he wouldn’t be caught out. Eventually many digs, fed up with supplying all and sundry with their own personal plug, chained them to the door keys so that you handed them back when you left. They never solved the problem of drivers stealing the mirrors off the walls though.

Before the days of plastic spoons most greasy spoon cafes had the teaspoon on a chain like the pens in the bank.

My point is that many drivers of all nationalities have a somewhat casual attitude to other peoples property. The English are no better or worse than any others.

Harry Monk:

orys:
. And now I am in UK and study, guess what? Central and Eastern European Studies.

I dare to tell that I have much more knowledge on the subject than you. Both from Eastern point of view (back from Poland) and from British point of view (from my Uni).

Well, you see, that’s the whole problem, having Eastern European Studies courses available at universities. What a “shoo-in” for any eastern European.

It would be like me studying “English Cooked Breakfasts” at some University in Peru. “Central and Eastern European Studies” is not a legitimate University course, and exactly the type of thing we need to stop subsidising through our taxes.

Harry monk is spot on there,well said.

Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Tomasz ok , i dont use the train every week and Harry doesnt use the train every week , it is all been a figment of our imagination , thanks for clearing that up for me . I have obviously been dreaming been on the train every week .
I bow down to your superior knowledge you are obviously a well balanced individual , a little chip on each shoulder does that for some people.

I hope that is of some help.

No, your cheap sarcasm do not help at all.

I am not discussing that there is plenty of Poles and Eastern Europeans on the train or ferry. All I am saing that your estimates (“90%”, “only Two britons” etc.) are too far fetched.

I am not saying that it could not happen on some occassions: I’ve been on a train where I was only non-British (altough driving british vehicle). But in general you are exagerating and sounds like dramatising housewifes.

bobbya:
Harry monk is spot on there,well said.

Yeah, if you want to become even more ingorant and base your decisions affecting your country on nothing (since you give up having experts in that important field of your politics) that would be the best way to achieve it. Are you for scrapping French Studies, German Studies, Italian Studies, American Studies and all other studies as well?

Are you for scrapping any studies which have anything to do with Britain? What a shooo-in for any Briton they are!!! :wink:

orys:

Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Tomasz ok , i dont use the train every week and Harry doesnt use the train every week , it is all been a figment of our imagination , thanks for clearing that up for me . I have obviously been dreaming been on the train every week .
I bow down to your superior knowledge you are obviously a well balanced individual , a little chip on each shoulder does that for some people.

I hope that is of some help.

No, your cheap sarcasm do not help at all.

I am not discussing that there is plenty of Poles and Eastern Europeans on the train or ferry. All I am saing that your estimates (“90%”, “only Two britons” etc.) are too far fetched.

I am not saying that it could not happen on some occassions: I’ve been on a train where I was only non-British (altough driving british vehicle). But in general you are exagerating and sounds like dramatising housewifes.

Tomasz you are like a rather petulant little child who choses to believe your own hype without taking onboard others views , I take back my comment that you are a well balanced person as it appears you have rather a strange inferiority complex relating to the fact you are polish.

Hope that is of some help.

Suffolk ReeferBoy:
Tomasz you are like a rather petulant little child who choses to believe your own hype without taking onboard others views ,

Are you sure that it wasn’t aimed at Harry? :slight_smile:

I take back my comment that you are a well balanced person as it appears you have rather a strange inferiority complex relating to the fact you are polish.

Yeah, because I know that your estimates of amount of Eastern Europeans on the train are exagerated, that for sure have to mean that I have nationality complex.

On a serious note: can’t you just accept the fact that you were wrong on something? Not 100% wrong, just went carried away a bit. It’s no shame to admit and get back to fact, really.

Btw: in your native language we use capital letters when writing about nationalities. I hope this helps :slight_smile:

tomasz tomasz calm yourself down dear you seem to be getting carried away with yourself , one day we may meet on the train and I will shake you warmly by your hand , brush those two massive chips from your shoulders and buy you a mixed grill .
Take a chill pill and slice yourself a lovely piece of polish sausage and just sit and breath deeply in through the nose and out through the mouth for the next ten minutes.

Hope that is of some help.

Tomasz…Sometimes you don’t help yourself. You are as quick to attack Britain, just as fast as you defend Poland. Are you aware of this fact? This helps me to decide what I think! If that helps.

Sorry…I meant Orys! :blush:

Hihi, this is just fun :wink:

  1. You are accusing me of exactly the same what I do: ignoring the facts and sticking to own version instead. Really, 90% of EE on the train? Believe or not, we do have other countries to go to as well :wink:
  2. By sticking to the facts on this very narrow field of average percentage of EE drivers on the train, you suggest that I am attacking Britain and defend Poland… I am not defending or attacking anyone, I just want that we talk about facts, not fairly tales (and to be honest pulling your finger a bit, because…
  3. …because it’s really fun to observe you. You can’t argue with me on facts, so you try to paternalize me. First you started to call me with my real name, which makes you feel that you have an advantage over me, since I don’t know yours and can’t respond with the same. You completely ignored the fact that I asked before to leave my real name off the board - I have a nickname I am using here and I am doing it for a reason. If I wanted to be called with my name, I would register with Tomasz instead of orys. Then, since that did not made expected result on me, you start to treat me like a child - giving well thought advice, tapping me on the shoulder from your superior position etc. That will not make any difference at all, the facts are, that average 90% of EE drivers on every ferry/train is well exagerated and everyone who drive even UK only can see it: there is plenty of EE trucks, but they are not 90% of foreign vehicles on our roads. And all these Germans, Austrians, Turks, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian and Portugese lorries were not airlifted here. It is as simple as that.

You accusing me of being a childlike, but look at yourself :slight_smile:

Yeah, I could stop this argument about amoungt of EE drivers long ago, but I was really interested how far you go before (if ever) you will agree to admit that you went carried away a little bit (it’s only that, nothing more, I fully agree with you that there is plenty of them on almost every train) :wink:

So now after I had fun watching you trying to paternalise me because it’s easier for you than admit you were slightly wrong, I am off from that part of discussion. You can now believe that there is 140% of Polish drivers on every train if you wish :wink: In meantime I will go and do something useful for a change. Have fun! :wink:

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bigvern1:
Sorry…I meant Orys! :blush:

:laughing: :laughing: I am off down the chip shop to be served a portion by the fit polish sort .

bigvern1:
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Gogan:

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:unamused:

I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but personally I would have picked a source that has a bit more credibility, not to mention a smidgen of impartiality on the subject. :sunglasses:

Wot? Impartial like yourself…? :stuck_out_tongue: