I wonder if it makes his eyes water when he pulls these figures out of his arse? 
north surrey haulage:
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Anyway nearly all the faults have been sorted now that I’ve got decent dealer looking after it.just waiting for a couple of software upgrades to be installed.
Glad to see your motors getting sorted NSH, that’s one smart looking motor
Must say that i have to agree with robK to some extent, but not with his facts and figures, I know of irish hauliers running to portugal, starting maybe porto, with 3-5 drops for around 2850 euro, now this isn’t after a freight forwarder gets his cut. don’t know exactly what back loads are paying but these are usually for fyffes, who I know are not great payers. But I suppose its like every industry, if you want to work for nothing you will have plenty of customers.
I do remember in the dim and distant past when I ran into Europe, the company I worked for would carry almost anything at rates that didnt even cover the deisel to Italy from UK (e.g.Empty GKN pallets )
Simply because the rates back from Italy covered the round trip costs and profit.
BUT, they much prefered to load for Italy from Mainland Europe as the rates were higher for less mileage and no ferry fees.
It seems very much that the problem of low unsustainable rates is much more common in the UK than in mainland Europe
63ppm is the figure that an owner driver on for Archbold’s was running to Italy and back for. I’m sure that Ian will confirm as he was stood at the side of me at the time.
I think you lot are living in cloud cuckoo land if you really don’t believe the rates that o/d’s are running about for and no it’s not an isolated case. 
Hey Coffee, just a thought, how much per mile is this Bus gonna cost us to run cause me and the lads on here arn’t earning a lot you know! 
Tramper:
Hey Coffee, just a thought, how much per mile is this Bus gonna cost us to run cause me and the lads on here arn’t earning a lot you know!
Easy, 63 ppm
Coffeeholic:
I wonder if it makes his eyes water when he pulls these figures out of his arse?
dear oh dear that did make i larf i’ve made enquiries about changing it to a DOUBLE decker by the way - we’re all DOOMED i tell ye 
63ppm now either he,s running an old shed thats payed for so all he wants is a wage outta the job cuz italy is a fair distance away or he,s got an extremely well paid load back to the uk and just needs a load to get him out there.or he could just be doin it for love not money and that,ll never pay.
rob so because one OD is willing sorry dumb enough runing at 63ppm then by the way youve come accross here everyone is running at that sorry but your wrong very wrong yes rates are bad but as youve seen both NSH and coffee dont run at £1ppm at all neither will mosto the other ODs on here and i know for a fact we dont .
yes there are too many trucks chasing the same work but saying all new ODs are willing to run for peanuts is just plain wrong, yes there are new starts who will run for break even rates just to get work but from the ODs i know (and I know quit a few) they are in a very small minority
as for unde cutting did stobart start it off in the first place anyway
oh and whatch for dhl going bump in the next 2-3 years i think theyll be the next big one to go bang
oh and whatch for dhl going bump in the next 2-3 years i think theyll be the next big one to go bang
PMSFL… @ you
I outsource to a subbie that is a bit of a RobK clone (or add a “w” and drop the “e” ).
This subbie constantly accuses me of not charging enough / running to cheap.
But this subbie doesn’t know what I charge, and I will keep it that way!
He only knows the rates he’s getting from me. He prices every job, and I’ve never had to squeeze HIM on HIS prices. My margin on his runs is never less than 20% (one job was 200% ).
He constantly tells me how to run my business. I have a good customer base — 90% are direct. All he does is sub contract — but he feels qualified to advise me!
Has to be said that he is very reliable and is polite to my customers, but I don’t like him personally.
I’ll give the bus ride a miss (fearful that Rob may be driving it )
but I don’t like him personally.
He might feel the same about you.
Why do owner driver’s keep their rate’s to themselve’s 
Is it so another o/d doesn’t go in and undercut for any work
kitkat:
but I don’t like him personally.
He might feel the same about you.
Fair call
kitkat:
but I don’t like him personally.
Why do owner driver’s keep their rate’s to themselve’s
Yes - and its so much more fun to play the “I know something you don’t know” game
If you’re an advocate of complete transparency - post your accounts (the real ones ) on here
I favour translucency, going further towards opaqueness — depending on who’s asking!
If we gave away all our secrets, then even RobK might consider the o/d route (again 
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Leaving Robk out the scene,if you’s all spoke to each other then mayby there would be less fighting to get a load/backload and i think it would distribute the work fairly even and give’s everyone a fair crack at the whip as you’s are all working for the same ppm,give or take a few pennies.
I know that a couple of you’s think that i have something against o/d’s,let me set that straight here and now,i have alot of respect for them,taking on all that debt to try and make a living.Some make it work but for some sadly it’s just a bit above their means.You need to be really dedicatied to make it work for you and be prepaired to do a fair bit of travelling to do the work.Me i’m happy with what i do and who i work for,i could not be arsed with all the hassle trying to get load’s out and a backload as well.Good luck to you’s all.
hmm, hard to know how to put this across, but lets try and step into the real world, just for a few minutes, most and by most i mean 80% of o/d’s work on a sub contract basis either for one, two or three firms or possibly a freight forwarder, the remainder work directly for companies that don’t really want to get involved in haulage i.e they don’t want or need to run their own wagons so they farm out what haulage they need to anyone and everyone, this idea that there’s hundreds if not thousands of o/d’s touting for a particular job and each one under cutting the other is complete nonsense! now the work i’m doing at the mo is ok. i’ll never be a millionaire nor will i make enough money to retire at fifty but i make a fair bit more than i could doing the same job as a company driver so to me, it’s worth doing, although you never know whats round the corner with this game. as for the rates, i would say at current fuel prices, anything under £1.20 a mile is not viable, but that’s just my opinion and perhaps depends on how your doing the job and of coarse how many miles you do. the bottom line is, there is alot of crap work that you can walk into at anytime but there is also plenty of good work that pays far more than my sugested minimum. trying to class all o/d work together is just the same as saying all company jobs are the same, even though there’s lads on £6.00 an hour and others on £12.00 an hour!
Rob K:
I shall take great pleasure in saying “told you so” when the day comes around. It’s only a matter of time. Tick tock.
And I shall take great pleasure in saying “give me the grand you owe me”
If you’re man enough to put your money where your mouth is!
kitkat:
Leaving Robk out the scene,if you’s all spoke to each other then mayby there would be less fighting to get a load/backload and i think it would distribute the work fairly even and give’s everyone a fair crack at the whip as you’s are all working for the same ppm,give or take a few pennies.
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Ok I know Livestock Hauliers are a different breed to most hauliers but we do talk to each other and on busy market days the work gets shared around !
I have given work to ( and done work for) others - just depends how busy everyone is on that day!!
Denis F:
kitkat:
Leaving Robk out the scene,if you’s all spoke to each other then mayby there would be less fighting to get a load/backload and i think it would distribute the work fairly even and give’s everyone a fair crack at the whip as you’s are all working for the same ppm,give or take a few pennies.
.Ok I know Livestock Hauliers are a different breed to most hauliers
I have given work to ( and done work for) others - just depends how busy everyone is on that day!!
And that’s the way it should be m8,help each other out when you can,it’s nice to be nice.