Mazzer2:
Stu you’re wasting your breath Chester has lifted nothing heavier than a dinky toy trailer he clearly has no idea what the purpose of seals are or why they are put in place.
I’ve replied to Stu reference airfreight
Calm down Doris!
So uptight you lot.
chester:
fatboystu1:
There’s nothing “in house” about it what so ever, its regulations as laid down by the DfT and CAA, which we follow to the letter to maintain the security status through out the chain of custody. So given that, you tell me how to circumnavigate the situation so that the driver checks the load?
The trailer cannot be left unsecured.
The driver cannot collect the trailer before 8pm.
We finish work at 6pm.Bear in mind we’ve been shifting this type of load for 20+ years. Never had a lost or slipped load, never been pulled and fined for an incorrectly restrained load. But still that wouldn’t make you happy eh?
I have never ever said once that a driver needs to break and check every load.
Yes
“The driver is ultimately responsible”
But if that driver is satisfied that load is secure and legal and has knowledge of what he/she is carrying then why would they break the seal?
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Yep! I think that would be my understanding of it.
Mazzer2:
fatboystu1:
There’s nothing “in house” about it what so ever, its regulations as laid down by the DfT and CAA, which we follow to the letter to maintain the security status through out the chain of custody. So given that, you tell me how to circumnavigate the situation so that the driver checks the load?
The trailer cannot be left unsecured.
The driver cannot collect the trailer before 8pm.
We finish work at 6pm.Bear in mind we’ve been shifting this type of load for 20+ years. Never had a lost or slipped load, never been pulled and fined for an incorrectly restrained load. But still that wouldn’t make you happy eh?
Stu you’re wasting your breath Chester has lifted nothing heavier than a dinky toy trailer he clearly has no idea what the purpose of seals are or why they are put in place.
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he would find out quick enough if he ever blows one… 
he would find out quick enough if he ever blows one…
is that the voice of experience talking dd… 
m.a.n rules:
he would find out quick enough if he ever blows one…is that the voice of experience talking dd…
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that smells a bit fishy to me…honk honk
Going back to my days delivering for Sainsbury’s out of Worcester, we were supposed to keep the trailer sealed at all times.
They gave us a bunch of seals with the notes; if there were three drops we got five seals.
At the gate, we broke the seal to check the load (just a look in to make sure it was the right load), re-seal it and the gatemen wrote the number on the notes.
At the first drop, the back-door person was supposed to check the seal before cutting it, and then fix a new one on for the next shop and so on, right back to the yard where it was checked again.
Of course, that was not what happened in practice. The gate was okay, but the back-door people had no interest in seals. We would cut them and they would glance at the number before signing; we also put the new seal on (if we bothered) because they never checked.
There were always a few spare seals in the cab anyway so anyone who wanted to steal stuff, and there were a few, could easily get around the system. The simplest theft was to stop at a layby, not too far from home, load some stuff into a black bib bag and leave it in the hedge. Even if anyone saw it there - who would look twice at a bin bag dumped in a layby.
I’m gonna be a tad controversial here…
I agree with Chester…but only in an ’ ideal world ’ sense. Ultimately the driver IS legally responsible for safely transporting the load, and I am confident that nearly all of us on here will accept that. However as pointed out by my learned colleagues, in a real world scenario- food, expensive electronics/valuables, medicines etc will almost ALWAYS be sealed.
I have pulled many a trailer out of Holyhead, Birkenhead, Liverpool, Heysham ports and when it’s sealed I DECIDE that it will be ok. The decision I make is based on probability of accident versus ■■■■■■ off customer, suspicion of driver theft, cost of failed delivery and other variables (including ■■■■■■ off employer ).
The real issue here was our idiot driver who went and did a u-turn in a prohibited area at speed with being (probably) totally unaware of the nature of his/her load. The driver must have KNOWN that he was heavy, yet still screwed the trailer round at speed. Complete ■■■■ and YET another VERY PUBLIC example of the complete and utter turd that sadly drive wagons today.
And then we wonder why the public cannot abide us…
Santa:
Going back to my days delivering for Sainsbury’s out of Worcester, we were supposed to keep the trailer sealed at all times.They gave us a bunch of seals with the notes; if there were three drops we got five seals.
At the gate, we broke the seal to check the load (just a look in to make sure it was the right load), re-seal it and the gatemen wrote the number on the notes.
At the first drop, the back-door person was supposed to check the seal before cutting it, and then fix a new one on for the next shop and so on, right back to the yard where it was checked again.
Of course, that was not what happened in practice. The gate was okay, but the back-door people had no interest in seals. We would cut them and they would glance at the number before signing; we also put the new seal on (if we bothered) because they never checked.
There were always a few spare seals in the cab anyway so anyone who wanted to steal stuff, and there were a few, could easily get around the system. The simplest theft was to stop at a layby, not too far from home, load some stuff into a black bib bag and leave it in the hedge. Even if anyone saw it there - who would look twice at a bin bag dumped in a layby.
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standard working for sainsburys operating procedure there my good man.
washing liquids ,bog roll,kitchen towel,razorblades,anything that dont have a sell by date would be fair game.
I had to seal a collection in the uk( load of wine), to deliver in the uk (Tosco RDC). Dont know why, as Tosco dont check the seals. Cant be a driver trust issue either, because almost all loads go without a seal. To be honest, all those seals do is draw attention to the fact that you may be carrying a valuable load…
adam277:
Guy recording doesn’t have much regard for his own life.Regarding the strapping if it’s a port collection then who ever strapped that needs firing.
I’m guessing one of their Belgian drivers would have loaded it.
eastern european expert again foot down simply going to fast
stevejones:
eastern european expert again foot down simply going to fast
got it one
This is nothing to do with the slipped load, but often security seals are used because of terrorist threats, for instance when the Animal Liberation Front was active, trailers, tankers and samples had to be sealed to prevent anyone putting anything in that may reach the production process in dairies, biscuit factories. I took a tanker to United Biscuits and the camera operator, couldnt spot the lid seal at the gate, he refused the load, there was no argument, if the seal is missing, someone could have put some contaminant in. Its the same with airfreight, those seals are not to stop the driver from pinching an iPhone, they prevent him putting one in the load.
A trailer with a GV60 is done that way for the same reason, its to stop someone adding to the load, not stealing from it.
Yorkielad:
Huddersfield examiner’s has got cctv footage from the garage which appears to show him going back towards town centre before doing a u-turn at lights which I’d think twice about doing at that speed in my car
When he did the u-turn the turntable would be at ninety degrees to the trailer, on accelerating the trailer would tip and the load would come out the side. Joepipe3
On re-Reading these threads I commented on about breaking seals they seams to be a common trend.
It’s the brain dead, nil-by-mouth types who reckon a driver can’t break a seal.
You know the ones…the type of drivers who do Supermarket work.
The ones who have had it drilled into them this is the way we do things here…
Like the brain dead morons at DHL who actually believed they had DVSA dispensation about moving unrestrained loads on the Jag/Landrover.
Even the assessors and pointy shoe planners believed it FFS.
One could argue are shopping dollies the type of trucker we want on TruckNet, as it’s hardly real truck driving work.
At no point in this thread do we know this heavy piece of machinery slipped because of not being able to restrain because of a seal.
I Still would love to see legal facts by our Supermarket hero’s why a Driver can’t break a seal. Take all the time you need.
Even a bonded load can be broken and checked, then resealed.
The amount of bull shine this forum produces no wonder drivers need to go back to school and sit DCPC, when you listen to stuff spouted on here.
adam277:
Guy recording doesn’t have much regard for his own life.Regarding the strapping if it’s a port collection then who ever strapped that needs firing.
Also I work for Tesco and if you break the seal and there happens to be stuff missing you are fudged. We do not check the loads at Tesco and have zero load interaction until we get to the store.
I think Argos are the same.
Co-OP you are allowed to inspect the load.The thing is as long as you follow a system that is well documented you are covered. If my load goes while working at Tesco I am covered if it’s due to poor loading.
If my load goes because I’m working for some two bit firm on agency and I get told the ‘regular’ guy doesn’t check the load I am not covered.So it’s a bit of common sense.
Given you used to work in Andover Co-Op - I really hope you are at Southampton DC and not Reading now… As those curtain siders were a total joke for loading. Eitherway - you have my sympathies having to work for a company like that.
On a side note… at tesco if you are taking out a double decker you can check the load. Given it’s just cages (on the fridges atleast) it’s not like you’d not know if it wasn’t secure… You’d hear it sharpish as soon as you started moving.
I’m proud to say this is all useless information for me - as I achieved my goal and got myself banned from both sites for life!
sammym:
adam277:
Guy recording doesn’t have much regard for his own life.Regarding the strapping if it’s a port collection then who ever strapped that needs firing.
Also I work for Tesco and if you break the seal and there happens to be stuff missing you are fudged. We do not check the loads at Tesco and have zero load interaction until we get to the store.
I think Argos are the same.
Co-OP you are allowed to inspect the load.The thing is as long as you follow a system that is well documented you are covered. If my load goes while working at Tesco I am covered if it’s due to poor loading.
If my load goes because I’m working for some two bit firm on agency and I get told the ‘regular’ guy doesn’t check the load I am not covered.So it’s a bit of common sense.
Given you used to work in Andover Co-Op - I really hope you are at Southampton DC and not Reading now… As those curtain siders were a total joke for loading. Eitherway - you have my sympathies having to work for a company like that.
On a side note… at tesco if you are taking out a double decker you can check the load. Given it’s just cages (on the fridges atleast) it’s not like you’d not know if it wasn’t secure… You’d hear it sharpish as soon as you started moving.
I’m proud to say this is all useless information for me - as I achieved my goal and got myself banned from both sites for life!
Who has the misfortune of you now then .?
robthedog:
sammym:
adam277:
Guy recording doesn’t have much regard for his own life.Regarding the strapping if it’s a port collection then who ever strapped that needs firing.
Also I work for Tesco and if you break the seal and there happens to be stuff missing you are fudged. We do not check the loads at Tesco and have zero load interaction until we get to the store.
I think Argos are the same.
Co-OP you are allowed to inspect the load.The thing is as long as you follow a system that is well documented you are covered. If my load goes while working at Tesco I am covered if it’s due to poor loading.
If my load goes because I’m working for some two bit firm on agency and I get told the ‘regular’ guy doesn’t check the load I am not covered.So it’s a bit of common sense.
Given you used to work in Andover Co-Op - I really hope you are at Southampton DC and not Reading now… As those curtain siders were a total joke for loading. Eitherway - you have my sympathies having to work for a company like that.
On a side note… at tesco if you are taking out a double decker you can check the load. Given it’s just cages (on the fridges atleast) it’s not like you’d not know if it wasn’t secure… You’d hear it sharpish as soon as you started moving.
I’m proud to say this is all useless information for me - as I achieved my goal and got myself banned from both sites for life!
Who has the misfortune of you now then .?
Been doing pharmaceutical trailers - carrying both completed and raw drugs. Easy work, and ramped up because of the b word. Scary high insurance values - but amazingly after reading this it’s been well known for me to forget to put my seals on and it’s never been a problem. Those on here saying that without a seal the world will end must work with different firms to me.
Also being driving a flatbed delivering parts for marine bridges etc. Again nice work. Technically it’s often not pleasant and is tight but I’m never rushed and am left alone. In fact the owner tells me what sort of time he wants me there and I then rock up to work when I think is best. First time Iand had to blindside near water was not fun… But I took my time
Treated like an adult. Most amazing part is that for both I’ve had no problems. So either I’m a better driver or being left alone and not micro managed means people do a better job. I won’t go back to supermarkets. But I have been spoilt.