th2013:
My instructor always used to say “It’s THEIR risk” and while I know he he was right, the trouble is I instinctively drive defensively and can’t help trying to make things safer…
Not sure I would agree with your instructor, their risk can very quickly become our risk. Surely we have a duty to look out for other motorists even if they are driving like complete idiots.
Perhaps its an age thing as I was a total nutter in my youth. Well 14 to 17 anyway.
All about emotions really, if you can remove emotion from driving then this is the first mile on the road to becoming an above average driver.
Dipper_Dave:
th2013:
My instructor always used to say “It’s THEIR risk” and while I know he he was right, the trouble is I instinctively drive defensively and can’t help trying to make things safer…
Not sure I would agree with your instructor, their risk can very quickly become our risk. Surely we have a duty to look out for other motorists even if they are driving like complete idiots.
Perhaps its an age thing as I was a total nutter in my youth. Well 14 to 17 anyway.
All about emotions really, if you can remove emotion from driving then this is the first mile on the road to becoming an above average driver.
I think there is a misinterpretation here, and my GUESS is the instructor was talking about being assertive while driving. Hold your position and don’t be intimidated, as your reactions and avoiding action (in a bigger and heavier vehicle) could have far worse consequences.
So when are you 18 Dave? 
Evil8Beezle:
Dipper_Dave:
th2013:
My instructor always used to say “It’s THEIR risk” and while I know he he was right, the trouble is I instinctively drive defensively and can’t help trying to make things safer…
Not sure I would agree with your instructor, their risk can very quickly become our risk. Surely we have a duty to look out for other motorists even if they are driving like complete idiots.
Perhaps its an age thing as I was a total nutter in my youth. Well 14 to 17 anyway.
All about emotions really, if you can remove emotion from driving then this is the first mile on the road to becoming an above average driver.
I think there is a misinterpretation here, and my GUESS is the instructor was talking about being assertive while driving. Hold your position and don’t be intimidated, as your reactions and avoiding action (in a bigger and heavier vehicle) could have far worse consequences.
Actually this guy was 95% spot on, but seemed to have a chip on his shoulder concerning overtaking / undertaking. Two examples:
1 - I’m indicating left and preparing to turn left and a moped starts to pass me on left. I stop and say “I’m waiting until I can see him again”. I got “No mate, HIS risk. On your test maybe”. I obviously waited anyway.
2 - Doing 40 on an A road and a BMW decides to pass even though there is a petrol tanker coming other way and there isn’t room. Once it’s clear he has a death wish then I brake to make room for him to get back in (as did oncoming tanker). Again, “HIS risk”.
To be fair, this instructor was not still around by the time I came back to do class 1, but again he was excellent at some aspects (and DSA certified!)…
nick2008:
robroy:
Thing is we all know they are as thick as [zb] end of.
Are you really advocating to let them actually kill themselves
I remember when I was 17 I was a complete d/ head driving and I knew no fear, some of the bloody stupid things I done it’ s a wonder I am here to write this. Most kids, young lads full of testerone and bravado are the same. At the other end there are those too bloody old to be driving, but if I see them doing something stupid I sure as hell aint going to watch them injure or kill themseves if preventable.
It’s an example of what ( is supposed to) seperates us as professionals from other road users 
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Sorry but that’s not my fault … I’ve given up giving a rats arse any more …
Ok mate fair enough, we all as drivers get ■■■■■■ with knobs that we have to share the road with. I certainly do.
However if it was your teenage daughter in the passenger seat of the car with some young ■■■■ deadleg who was trying to impress her, or his mate was your teenage son with 3 other innocents in the car also ( as what happened to my lad) that as passengers obviously had no control over d.head’ s driving. Would you still not give a rat’s ■■■ about trying to avoid a potential fatal.
Not being funny mate, but if the job has got you to that stage where you feel and drive like that, maybe it’s time for a change before some smart arsed Barrister gets you up on a manslaughter charge
I was always told by my old man to driver as though everyone else on the road is an idiot and not to expect the norm.
stood me in pretty good stead so far, and I like robroy went through the I can drive mega fast etc. but luckily calmed down before any harm was done, the difference nowadays is my old metro struggled to about 80 mph max whereas these little c1 and the likes fly along.
I also couldn’t live with myself if there was a family in the back of the car on the hardshoulder who were wiped out by such a selfish prick like the OP witnessed, especially if I could have done something about it.
Traffic Rat:
To reassure you, last idiot I found trying the hard shoulder short cut found out how much it cost to his wallets expense. £100 for hard shoulder driving, £300 for No Insurance, 6 points, vehicle towed away costing just over £200 for removal and storage, and 2 return train tickets back to London. Total cost to him, about £800. and for everything else there’s MasterCard!!
Superb, it must be a hard choice whether to laugh or cry at the sheer idiocy of no insurance and then use the hard shoulder to attract attention.