Shunting and tacho help please

Danny27404:

andy187:

gogzy:
tesco dont take the terbergs on the public roads

yes they do
from Hinckley RDC to RSU across main road, all off 100 yards.

Maybe they are running on domestic rules?

Good point because as prev persons have said public road is public road wether its 1yrd or 100yrd. So are the super mkts wrong or are we missing loop hole or summot. Either way tacho rules ■■■■ and now am going to have to pay the bank interest.

Huh?

gogzy:

tachograph:
Any vehicle not capable of exceeding 40 km/h is exempt from EU regulations.

I’ve never driven one but I assume that this would probably apply to the terbergs ?

22.5 mph

I thought they were faster, they don’t half seem to fly on the docks LOL

Dunno then?:

Danny27404:

andy187:

gogzy:
tesco dont take the terbergs on the public roads

yes they do
from Hinckley RDC to RSU across main road, all off 100 yards.

Maybe they are running on domestic rules?

Good point because as prev persons have said public road is public road wether its 1yrd or 100yrd. So are the super mkts wrong or are we missing loop hole or summot. Either way tacho rules ■■■■ and now am going to have to pay the bank interest.

Huh?

Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

Danny27404:

Dunno then?:

Danny27404:

andy187:

gogzy:
tesco dont take the terbergs on the public roads

yes they do
from Hinckley RDC to RSU across main road, all off 100 yards.

Maybe they are running on domestic rules?

Good point because as prev persons have said public road is public road wether its 1yrd or 100yrd. So are the super mkts wrong or are we missing loop hole or summot. Either way tacho rules ■■■■ and now am going to have to pay the bank interest.

Huh?

Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

Why not? :cry:

zippy!:

gogzy:

tachograph:
Any vehicle not capable of exceeding 40 km/h is exempt from EU regulations.

I’ve never driven one but I assume that this would probably apply to the terbergs ?

22.5 mph

I thought they were faster, they don’t half seem to fly on the docks LOL

they do seem fast but they dont go faster than that. well the ones ive driven.

Danny27404:
Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

If you are driving under EU regs on the same or other days in the week then your work hours are still restricted - the shunter job would be deemed as ‘other work’ and need to be officially recorded

ROG:

Danny27404:
Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

If you are driving under EU regs on the same or other days in the week then your work hours are still restricted - the shunter job would be deemed as ‘other work’ and need to be officially recorded

I think Rog may be pointing towards the fact that you are stuffed either way, if 561/2006 doesnt get you, the domestic rules will, and if neither of those get you, then the WTD/RTD will.

I should think very hard before you do anything you will regret later, marriage I mean :stuck_out_tongue:

These quotes are taken from Rog’s favourite pamphlet, GV262 under derogations

Vehicles used exclusively on roads inside hub
facilities such as ports, airports, interports and
railway terminals.

This applies only to those vehicles being used within
the perimeter of these areas (rather than those driving
to or through the areas), although we accept that
these vehicles may occasionally leave the site for
vehicle maintenance purposes.

If it is exempt from the EU rules due to the provisions listed above then the vehicle will usually
be in scope of the GB domestic rules when travelling in GB

Having said that, I do believe there is an exemption on a case by case basis but records would still have to be kept, two examples come to mind.

  1. P&O North Sea Ferries have a dock shunter running constantly between the RORO part and a separate compound and they pull bricks carried on modern Lancashire Flats, the tug is registered and taxed, but think the driver can use his clocking in card or domestic rules.

  2. Many years ago when Ruston Bucyrus were on the go in Lincoln, they had two factories in and had dispensation to run heavy vehicles between the two sites. I remember the drivers used to pass these papers between them at the factory gate and I thought it was a waste of time while I was sat waiting at James Dawsons next door.

Even JCB Fastracs have tachographs fitted and farming types are known for being quite careful with their hard earned :stuck_out_tongue:

ROG:

Danny27404:
Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

If you are driving under EU regs on the same or other days in the week then your work hours are still restricted - the shunter job would be deemed as ‘other work’ and need to be officially recorded

but you can still legally work 72 hours a week if you really want,

gogzy:
but you can still legally work 72 hours a week if you really want,

Where do you get 72 hours of WORK from ■■

gogzy:

ROG:

Danny27404:
Back to the start i want to raise the exra cash for my wedding by shunting. Save borrowing from the bank. Thats why i raised the question and thats why tacho rules ■■■■ becuse it seems i cant shunt for the day.

If you are driving under EU regs on the same or other days in the week then your work hours are still restricted - the shunter job would be deemed as ‘other work’ and need to be officially recorded

but you can still legally work 72 hours a week if you really want,

If by work you mean the time between clocking on and clocking off each shift, which is what most people would call work, then you can work a lot more than 72 hours a week if you wish.

ROG:

gogzy:
but you can still legally work 72 hours a week if you really want,

Where do you get 72 hours of WORK from ■■

because ive done it for tesco plenty of times.

gogzy:

ROG:

gogzy:
but you can still legally work 72 hours a week if you really want,

Where do you get 72 hours of WORK from ■■

because ive done it for tesco plenty of times.

So you mean -

Coffeeholic:
If by work you mean the time between clocking on and clocking off each shift, which is what most people would call work, then you can work a lot more than 72 hours a week if you wish.

YES ■■?

round of applause for ROG

If it’s work meaning clock on to clock off then I reckon it’s possible to get in 90 hours (6 X 15) ■■?

ROG:
If it’s work meaning clock on to clock off then I reckon it’s possible to get in 90 hours (6 X 15) ■■?

I reckon you could squeeze 99 hours into a week. 6x15 plus the first 9 hours of another shift.

yep easy 100 hour week, aslong as no tachos were involved eg in a shunting unit…tho i have done some shifts shunting in a proper unit…lol

gogzy:
yep easy 100 hour week, aslong as no tachos were involved eg in a shunting unit…tho i have done some shifts shunting in a proper unit…lol

99 hours possible even with tachos.

Coffeeholic:

gogzy:
yep easy 100 hour week, aslong as no tachos were involved eg in a shunting unit…tho i have done some shifts shunting in a proper unit…lol

99 hours possible even with tachos.

yea aslong as you work it right and tbh my brains not big enough on how to do that tbh, bit easy when no tachos involved

gogzy:

Coffeeholic:

gogzy:
yep easy 100 hour week, aslong as no tachos were involved eg in a shunting unit…tho i have done some shifts shunting in a proper unit…lol

99 hours possible even with tachos.

yea aslong as you work it right and tbh my brains not big enough on how to do that tbh, bit easy when no tachos involved

With no tachos involved you could theoretically work 168 hours per week.

Coffeeholic:

gogzy:

Coffeeholic:

gogzy:
yep easy 100 hour week, aslong as no tachos were involved eg in a shunting unit…tho i have done some shifts shunting in a proper unit…lol

99 hours possible even with tachos.

yea aslong as you work it right and tbh my brains not big enough on how to do that tbh, bit easy when no tachos involved

With no tachos involved you could theoretically work 168 hours per week.

theoretically but could you honestly stay up for 6 days shunting? especially when it gets quiet during the night?