Yorkshire Tramper:
An apprentice lorry driver for 3 years?? 
Now don’t get me wrong but in this day and age of curtain siders, auto boxes and power steering, not a great deal to know other than strapping down loads using ratchets, chains etc. so possibly you could spell that out over a week or so similar to the CPC modules. I fail to see how someone could say they are a time served lorry driver and everyone else must be cowboys who havent gone through such in depth training. You could possibly do a sleeping in the cab and how to look after yourself for 5 days without your mother, but 3 years? Seriously.
Theres alot more skill an variety to the job then block laying or tiling and there both 2 year apprenticeships.
TruckorTreat:
Theres alot more skill an variety to the job then block laying or tiling and there both 2 year apprenticeships.
Just to correct you there, block laying and tiling are not apprenticeship trades mate. Not suggesting that there isn’t more to driving than meets the eye, but those skills are picked up by doing the job over the years rather than learned in a class room and following a sylabus over years. I get the point of a company offering on the job training for their specifc roles but by trying t spell it out like a traditional aprenticeship, by the end of the three years what skills would you have picked up if, like your average driver drives up and down the same route delivering to the same customers day in day out trunking. After a couple of days doing that would you really think that they would feel the need to be sat in a classroom each week taking exams etc for something they probably would never use. As an example, I had never driven tankers before I got a job on them, I got a week of inductions and going out with another driver before being let loose and tbh that week dragged on for me let alone years.
Yorkshire Tramper:
TruckorTreat:
Theres alot more skill an variety to the job then block laying or tiling and there both 2 year apprenticeships.
Just to correct you there, block laying and tiling are not apprenticeship trades mate. Not suggesting that there isn’t more to driving than meets the eye, but those skills are picked up by doing the job over the years rather than learned in a class room and following a sylabus over years. I get the point of a company offering on the job training for their specifc roles but by trying t spell it out like a traditional aprenticeship, by the end of the three years what skills would you have picked up if, like your average driver drives up and down the same route delivering to the same customers day in day out trunking. After a couple of days doing that would you really think that they would feel the need to be sat in a classroom each week taking exams etc for something they probably would never use. As an example, I had never driven tankers before I got a job on them, I got a week of inductions and going out with another driver before being let loose and tbh that week dragged on for me let alone years.
Block laying and tiling here in ireland are both 2year trade apprenticeships. I understand what u are saying but I’m not covering the driving part specifically I’m more talking about the art an skill the job as a whole for example the different type of broad work options this job can offer plus basic roadside mechanical and tech knowledge. Driving lines reversing lines and the over all angles an depth of loads an how different forces from weather or erratic driving can have on them. This is only tip of the ice Berger to be fair theres so much to it dont get stuck on just the trunkin side of things that just one very small aspect of this job.
No point, only a diminishing part of the industry requires respects and values skill and expertise, the rest assume lowest common denominator standards based on the abilities of the most hopeless clowns they willingly employed.
The good part of the industry already values those who have learned and upskilled their trade and does their best to retain staff and make the job as pleasant as possible.
Depends on what aspect of the trade that you are in. If its carting loaded cages around then about 30minutes should be enough. Skips and tippers should be out with a trainer /experienced driver for a day.
TruckorTreat:
Block laying and tiling here in ireland are both 2year trade apprenticeships. I understand what u are saying but I’m not covering the driving part specifically I’m more talking about the art an skill the job as a whole for example the different type of broad work options this job can offer plus basic roadside mechanical and tech knowledge. Driving lines reversing lines and the over all angles an depth of loads an how different forces from weather or erratic driving can have on them. This is only tip of the ice Berger to be fair theres so much to it dont get stuck on just the trunkin side of things that just one very small aspect of this job.
Not really arguing or disputing what you are saying, I agree with most of what you say, however I have done just about every aspect of driving that there is to do out there with the exception of a few specialities, ie car transporters and petrol. I realise too that trunking roles are only a part of working but it would be totally senseless to try to make an apprentice scheme out of driving. What sense would there be in learning about a car transporter 10 years ago for a few days and then never touching one again. That learning has then gone. Reversing you mentioned, once again picked up over time and skills increase on a daily basis by doing the job. Doesnt take much to get used to the various trailers and oddities, about a day usually. Winds you mentioned, well common sense prevails here and we are not airline pilots we do not need to know meteorology or anything more complicated than adjusting your speed and steering to suit. So in a nutshell it aint rocket science or complicated what we do.
Yorkshire Tramper:
TruckorTreat:
Block laying and tiling here in ireland are both 2year trade apprenticeships. I understand what u are saying but I’m not covering the driving part specifically I’m more talking about the art an skill the job as a whole for example the different type of broad work options this job can offer plus basic roadside mechanical and tech knowledge. Driving lines reversing lines and the over all angles an depth of loads an how different forces from weather or erratic driving can have on them. This is only tip of the ice Berger to be fair theres so much to it dont get stuck on just the trunkin side of things that just one very small aspect of this job.
Not really arguing or disputing what you are saying, I agree with most of what you say, however I have done just about every aspect of driving that there is to do out there with the exception of a few specialities, ie car transporters and petrol. I realise too that trunking roles are only a part of working but it would be totally senseless to try to make an apprentice scheme out of driving. What sense would there be in learning about a car transporter 10 years ago for a few days and then never touching one again. That learning has then gone. Reversing you mentioned, once again picked up over time and skills increase on a daily basis by doing the job. Doesnt take much to get used to the various trailers and oddities, about a day usually. Winds you mentioned, well common sense prevails here and we are not airline pilots we do not need to know meteorology or anything more complicated than adjusting your speed and steering to suit. So in a nutshell it aint rocket science or complicated what we do.
I’m not saying it is all I am saying is a structured learning concept would improve alot of the problems on the road today and actually weed out alot of the people who dont have a liking for the job an who are just there to try make a quick note an being reckless an giving likes of us a bad name then theres the upside of the people who do want to do it an never wanted to do anythin else they would thrive with this apprenticeship concept of learning and our overall quality an skills of this trade would go up for our future generations. Mayby I’m mad but I think the trade would flourish and prosper from this and I also believe it’s something this jobs been craving for a long long time. Btw I respect your opinion and I do understand your point too. #KEEPONTRUCKIN
Yorkshire Tramper:
TruckorTreat:
Block laying and tiling here in ireland are both 2year trade apprenticeships. I understand what u are saying but I’m not covering the driving part specifically I’m more talking about the art an skill the job as a whole for example the different type of broad work options this job can offer plus basic roadside mechanical and tech knowledge. Driving lines reversing lines and the over all angles an depth of loads an how different forces from weather or erratic driving can have on them. This is only tip of the ice Berger to be fair theres so much to it dont get stuck on just the trunkin side of things that just one very small aspect of this job.
Not really arguing or disputing what you are saying, I agree with most of what you say, however I have done just about every aspect of driving that there is to do out there with the exception of a few specialities, ie car transporters and petrol. I realise too that trunking roles are only a part of working but it would be totally senseless to try to make an apprentice scheme out of driving. What sense would there be in learning about a car transporter 10 years ago for a few days and then never touching one again. That learning has then gone. Reversing you mentioned, once again picked up over time and skills increase on a daily basis by doing the job. Doesnt take much to get used to the various trailers and oddities, about a day usually. Winds you mentioned, well common sense prevails here and we are not airline pilots we do not need to know meteorology or anything more complicated than adjusting your speed and steering to suit. So in a nutshell it aint rocket science or complicated what we do.
trans.info/en/ireland-launches- … 290371just seen this I guess it’s already underway ere which is good to see