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Personally I think the issue is far too many kids leaving school without any real skills.
So they resign themselves to warehouses/retail or acting as delivery drivers.
I think you are younger than me (36) and it was starting when I left school that you MUST get a degree. If you don’t you have no future. You may have had this?
As a result endless school leavers have been led to university when they should have gone the college/apprenticeship route. Had they done so they would not have had the loans to pay back and likely earned more.
In my previous job I interviewed many 18-20 year olds who had either dropped out as it wasn’t what they wanted or got some Mickey mouse degree that was useless and that was why they were looking to stack shelves
kcrussell25:
I think you are younger than me (36) and it was starting when I left school that you MUST get a degree. If you don’t you have no future. You may have had this?As a result endless school leavers have been led to university when they should have gone the college/apprenticeship route. Had they done so they would not have had the loans to pay back and likely earned more.
In my previous job I interviewed many 18-20 year olds who had either dropped out as it wasn’t what they wanted or got some Mickey mouse degree that was useless and that was why they were looking to stack shelves
Totally right.
Everything was geared towards university.
Even if you wasnt capable of doing gcses/a levels they would just put you on vocational courses called btecs that lead to university.
Result has been ton of people dropping out of university or taking silly degrees/pointless.
It’s stupid because the industry has courses/training available the schools just need to use it.
Heck if they only got given training for a few cscs tickets they will still be far better off then people in their mid 20s/30s who have no qualifications or even a driving licence bouncing from one warehouse to another.
kcrussell25:
I think you are younger than me (36) and it was starting when I left school that you MUST get a degree. If you don’t you have no future. You may have had this?As a result endless school leavers have been led to university when they should have gone the college/apprenticeship route. Had they done so they would not have had the loans to pay back and likely earned more.
In my previous job I interviewed many 18-20 year olds who had either dropped out as it wasn’t what they wanted or got some Mickey mouse degree that was useless and that was why they were looking to stack shelves
I’ll never forget the face of my head of 6th form when I said I had no intention of going to uni 
26 now and still do not regret going.
Agreed lads, your generation was sold, literally into debt, a pup.
A degree is not the be all and end all, especially if its in some spurious self generating ■■■■■■■■ like gender studies…assuming such a pointless load of balls (or not) degree actually exists.
An admin pen pushing or social services type of job is not for everyone, and arguably as its ridiculously oversubcribed there’s no bleedin money in it anyway, hundreds of thousands of young school leavers would have been much better off getting themselves into some real industrial training/apprenticeships, where their political social world etc views would form for themselves (instead of being indoctrinated by a bunch of left over bleedin looney left hippies masqerading as lecturers) and where thinking/saying the wrong thing on facepalm wouldn’t see their careers stifled before they started, nor come back to bite them in the arse at some future date when the goal posts have shifted once more.
I regularly go to a large international specialist workshops who have taken on several apprentices over the years, recently those who can’t cope with turning up for work nor being told what to do in an industrial type of workplace, and have left before completing.
This work ethos/discipline is going wrong somewhere, and its such a ■■■■ shame because if these otherwise fortunate young chaps but realised it, the ageing existing workforce in such specialised work would mean by the time they are fully skilled the numbers balance of skilled people able to do such work would be so much in their favour that a rosy future for them is there for the taking.
Unfortunately you can’t put an old head on young shoulders, and the youngsters now in too many cases can’t be told anything, even if it’s genuinely for their benefit.
Nah it’s not that they’re leaving with no skill it’s that they’re leaving school thinking they’re too intelligent to go into a trade
I’m 27 and when I was at school the only people who went into a trade were the ones who’s fathers had a business or the less academic like myself everyone else had it drilled into them that uni is the only way
Fast forward to now that trend has continued and nobody wants a trade and most go to uni and do a degree that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on
kcrussell25:
I think you are younger than me (36) and it was starting when I left school that you MUST get a degree. If you don’t you have no future. You may have had this?
Yeah im 31, doing GCSE’s you had to get enough for 6th form, once there you need enough for uni, once out of uni (Unless you got a ‘proper’ degree) you find it a struggle to get a 14k a year job in a 9-5 admin role.
Juddian:
Agreed lads, your generation was sold, literally into debt, a pup.
It’s fine, ONLY 4 more year’s till it’s paid off 
Actually more young people are turning to apprenticeships instead of degrees. Ages ago uni was free v cheap, but now nobody wants to get into tuition dept. Bacically the only degrees that open jobs that pay the best are worth doing. For example, training English degree to teach English is not worth it. But anyway most want to be instagram models, but by the time they realise they are too ugly to be this its too late to get to uni. Shame Instagram was not big when I was growing up, I would have dominated with my handsome good looks! 
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kcrussell25:
I think you are younger than me (36) and it was starting when I left school that you MUST get a degree. If you don’t you have no future. You may have had this?As a result endless school leavers have been led to university when they should have gone the college/apprenticeship route. Had they done so they would not have had the loans to pay back and likely earned more.
In my previous job I interviewed many 18-20 year olds who had either dropped out as it wasn’t what they wanted or got some Mickey mouse degree that was useless and that was why they were looking to stack shelves
I’ll never forget the face of my head of 6th form when I said I had no intention of going to uni
26 now and still do not regret going.
I’ve met a lot of people who’ve been to university, and they work in the warehouse, or unloading the trucks, something wrong somewhere
Quite off subject.
But what gets me is the consensus that because you’ve been to Uni you are more intelligent
And the people who support it.
" They will know the right directions, they’ve been to Uni. "
“They will know the right thing to do. They’ve been to Uni.”
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There is no driver shortage.
Juddian:
I regularly go to a large international specialist workshops who have taken on several apprentices over the years, recently those who can’t cope with turning up for work nor being told what to do in an industrial type of workplace, and have left before completing.This work ethos/discipline is going wrong somewhere, and its such a ■■■■ shame because if these otherwise fortunate young chaps but realised it, the ageing existing workforce in such specialised work would mean by the time they are fully skilled the numbers balance of skilled people able to do such work would be so much in their favour that a rosy future for them is there for the taking.
Unfortunately you can’t put an old head on young shoulders, and the youngsters now in too many cases can’t be told anything, even if it’s genuinely for their benefit.
This sounds like an age-old complaint. The fact is, you do whatever is necessary to get them into work and retain them.
Most have gone to school for plenty of years so they can’t be suddenly incapable of attendance on a reasonably persistent basis, just because there has been a summer holiday between school and starting an apprenticeship.
The problem I think for a lot of firms is that they’re expecting to attract new entrants for much less wages than the experienced guys already doing it, which means in practice that apprentices can neither afford to learn to drive nor move closer to a workplace. If necessary you send a minibus or a car around to pick people up.
Or they’re not understanding the need to team-build - perhaps because their experienced workforce is either demoralised, too busy to engage with apprentices or have a moment of chat, or don’t give much of a toss about the firm anyway and that attitude gets signalled.
Or, they’re mis-selecting the very types of personality for their sort of work.
Or, as I say, they’re just not paying enough to allow apprentices to pay the bills and develop themselves, so that even if everything else in place, the basic reason for going to work is present in too small a dose.
What do you get for your degree these days, even a good technical/science one?
You see websites that have things like “Life Hacks” on them - basically what we used to call “common sense practice” when we were young.
In five years time - we’ll all be glad we were not forced to retire at 60-65, I reckon!
A glut of graduates flooding the jobs market - also has what must be an all-time-high of graduates in jobs that do NOT specifically use the degree they actually have, let alone any double firsts they might have in more appropriate subjects than flower arranging, human rights management, foreign studies, and media studies. 
How many are now flipping burgers with that 2:1 they got in rat’s arse history, politics, and economics as well?
Kids don’t even know how to GAMBLE any more these days!
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