Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hoyle’s did indeed work out of the old wire works at Ambergate Chris, their depot though was at Darley Dale in the old Toft Brothers and Tomlinson garage. Went for a fitting job there a few years ago when they ran Foden eight leggers but didn’t have a class one license so didn’t get it. They were changing over to Atki Borderer artics, hence the need for a class one.
Pete.
I remember Toft Brothers and Tomlinson Pete.This may have been mentioned before but weren’t they the ones who ran the Norde - North Derbyshire Engineering - motors,that would travel at the speed of light down the M1 when it was opened from the A52?
Flatman will know I’m sure
I remember Toft Brothers and Tomlinson Pete.This may have been mentioned before but weren’t they the ones who ran the Norde - North Derbyshire Engineering - motors,that would travel at the speed of light down the M1 when it was opened from the A52?
Flatman will know I’m sure
That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
I remember Toft Brothers and Tomlinson Pete.This may have been mentioned before but weren’t they the ones who ran the Norde - North Derbyshire Engineering - motors,that would travel at the speed of light down the M1 when it was opened from the A52?
Flatman will know I’m sure
That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
Pete.
There will be one or two that would like to see that Pete,including me,thanks.
I didn’t know Longcliffe ran one,have they still got it?
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That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
Pete.
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Wasn’t that a KV cabbed ERF that would do 70 and did two trips a day to London from Darley Dale, I remember a six wheeled TK in T B & T’s colours. I read somewhere T B & T’s nickname was ‘Tight Buggers and Twisters’. I would definately be interested in seeing the information he has.
That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
Pete.
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Wasn’t that a KV cabbed ERF that would do 70 and did two trips a day to London from Darley Dale, I remember a six wheeled TK in T B & T’s colours. I read somewhere T B & T’s nickname was ‘Tight Buggers and Twisters’. I would definately be interested in seeing the information he has.
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There was photo somewhere of that motor John but damned if I know where.I read about the two trips to London in a driver’s magazine donkey’s years ago,it was before the 60 mph speed limit was put in force.
Rock on.
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
I think you mean Roger Geeson, R D Geeson (Derby) Ltd their yard is on Asher Lane Ripley, you can see it off the A38 he was the money behind Via Gellia Transport and pulled the plug on it when they got into a mess, apparently they were undercutting everybody and working for next to nowt, he runs artic tippers of his own now out of his yard at Ripley in the same colour as VGT. I don’t know if he bought the old wire works but I think The Litchfield Group ( L B Plastics) from Nether Heage nr Ambergate bought it some years ago, or at least part of it, or if Roger Geeson owned it maybe they rented it, as I used to see their lorries in there before I finished at Browns.
Hiya Flatman…just got a bit mxed up with the names on this Johnson and Nephew Ambergate discution. theres a chap who run Fodens for years out of IICR Ballidon called Peter Gleeson(windrush will know him) and Roger Geeson the truck dismantler…I 've changed out of super low and getting things in order now.
Cheers John
TIPIT:
One to bump this thread on a bit found by Stanfield, does anyone know when this old Clayton firm went on till ?
OVLOV … Do you recognize the background ?
Don’t how long ‘Mason’s’ ran on till but do know that my Dad (RIP Ted Pennington) worked for them in the late 50’s and he gave me my first taste of being behind the wheel of an artic, I was 3 years old and was sat between his legs steering whilst he worked the pedals AFAIR Masons had a contract with a steel company in Trafford Park called Bannister Walton who supplied all the RSJ’s for the newly built Woolworth’s stores throughout the country. The wagon he had at this time was a Leyland Super Comet tractor unit and was painted dark blue and had the name Thomas signwritten on both sides of the bonnet.
In the 80’s when I was driving for a living I started work for Oswald Inghams from Newton Heath and one day I was chewing the fat with Ralph, Ossies son, and mentioned my dad and Bannister Walton, next day he brought a black and white pic of his dads first motor on the BW contract and my old man in ‘Thomas’ was parked alongside him loading out at the same time.
My dad went on driving until he was 70 yrs old and his last ride was a Leyland Roadtrain with the 320 ■■■■■■■ working the Boots contract, Plymouth to Bristol and back daily and he thought that motor was the best he’d ever driven that was until he came up to Yorkshire to spend a week with me in the late 90’s. At the time I was on for a big Northern Irish company and had a pretty new Scania 113 Streamline and was usually up the road to Stranraer/Cairnryan at the weekend to drop/pick up the first load for my next weeks work. This particular weekend I took my dad with me and after driving up there and getting back to the top of the M6 I stopped for a brew at Southwaite at about 1.00am and when we got back to the truck I threw the keys to my dad and told him it was his turn to drive He was 82yrs old at the time and hadn’t driven anything bigger than his car for 12yrs and certainly hadn’t driven a Scania with what they called a 14 speed manual gearbox although I think it was actually a 12 speed 3+3+3 plus a very low & high 1st gear The trip involved taking the groupage trailer to Huddersfield and then picking up a reefer to tip at Tescos RDC in Doncaster and my ‘old man’ did all the driving from Southwaite to Hudds; and then on to Donny; and It was the last time I was able to spend that kind of time with my dad and it seemed quite surreal that 40yrs on I was able to give him the opportunity to experience driving what was seen as a top of the range fleet truck when 40yrs previously he had sat me on his knee and allowed me to steer his pride and joy ‘Thomas’
This is an ex Toft Brothers and Tomlinson Leyland Hippo after they were taken over by BRS.Taken on Newcastle docks 1950.
I don’t think this old girl would have done 2 x Londons though,and look at that tiny wiper
That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
Pete.
Wasn’t that a KV cabbed ERF that would do 70 and did two trips a day to London from Darley Dale, I remember a six wheeled TK in T B & T’s colours. I read somewhere T B & T’s nickname was ‘Tight Buggers and Twisters’. I would definately be interested in seeing the information he has.
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There was photo somewhere of that motor John but damned if I know where.I read about the two trips to London in a driver’s magazine donkey’s years ago,it was before the 60 mph speed limit was put in force.
Rock on.
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Your right Chris, I will have to have a look through my scrapbooks to see if I saved it. I saved most of the interesting article and pics over the last twenty years or so. Wasn’t it when the M1 first opened, they would still have had a hard slog to get to it from Darley Dale.
That’s correct Chris, my neighbour worked on the original Norde artic and there were some 4 and 6 wheelers as well. Longcliffe Quarries ran one of them as a tanker with a Bedford TK cab and a Perkins engine. If anyone is interested I will scan some of the information that he has and set up a new thread?
Pete.
Wasn’t that a KV cabbed ERF that would do 70 and did two trips a day to London from Darley Dale, I remember a six wheeled TK in T B & T’s colours. I read somewhere T B & T’s nickname was ‘Tight Buggers and Twisters’. I would definately be interested in seeing the information he has.
There was photo somewhere of that motor John but damned if I know where.I read about the two trips to London in a driver’s magazine donkey’s years ago,it was before the 60 mph speed limit was put in force.
Rock on.
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Your right Chris, I will have to have a look through my scrapbooks to see if I saved it. I saved most of the interesting article and pics over the last twenty years or so. Wasn’t it when the M1 first opened, they would still have had a hard slog to get to it from Darley Dale.
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Without googling M1 John I’m guessing that it was opened from the A52 southwards in 1965/66? And yes,they still had to get to Derby down the A6 from Darley Dale so they would have earned their collar
Thanks for filling in some of that news about “Masons” Dave, and a nice twist on how you let your dad try out what must have felt like a “Spaceship” to him years later !!
TIPIT:
One to bump this thread on a bit found by Stanfield, does anyone know when this old Clayton firm went on till ?
OVLOV … Do you recognize the background ?
Don’t how long ‘Mason’s’ ran on till but do know that my Dad (RIP Ted Pennington) worked for them in the late 50’s and he gave me my first taste of being behind the wheel of an artic, I was 3 years old and was sat between his legs steering whilst he worked the pedals AFAIR Masons had a contract with a steel company in Trafford Park called Bannister Walton who supplied all the RSJ’s for the newly built Woolworth’s stores throughout the country. The wagon he had at this time was a Leyland Super Comet tractor unit and was painted dark blue and had the name Thomas signwritten on both sides of the bonnet.
In the 80’s when I was driving for a living I started work for Oswald Inghams from Newton Heath and one day I was chewing the fat with Ralph, Ossies son, and mentioned my dad and Bannister Walton, next day he brought a black and white pic of his dads first motor on the BW contract and my old man in ‘Thomas’ was parked alongside him loading out at the same time.
My dad went on driving until he was 70 yrs old and his last ride was a Leyland Roadtrain with the 320 ■■■■■■■ working the Boots contract, Plymouth to Bristol and back daily and he thought that motor was the best he’d ever driven that was until he came up to Yorkshire to spend a week with me in the late 90’s. At the time I was on for a big Northern Irish company and had a pretty new Scania 113 Streamline and was usually up the road to Stranraer/Cairnryan at the weekend to drop/pick up the first load for my next weeks work. This particular weekend I took my dad with me and after driving up there and getting back to the top of the M6 I stopped for a brew at Southwaite at about 1.00am and when we got back to the truck I threw the keys to my dad and told him it was his turn to drive He was 82yrs old at the time and hadn’t driven anything bigger than his car for 12yrs and certainly hadn’t driven a Scania with what they called a 14 speed manual gearbox although I think it was actually a 12 speed 3+3+3 plus a very low & high 1st gear The trip involved taking the groupage trailer to Huddersfield and then picking up a reefer to tip at Tescos RDC in Doncaster and my ‘old man’ did all the driving from Southwaite to Hudds; and then on to Donny; and It was the last time I was able to spend that kind of time with my dad and it seemed quite surreal that 40yrs on I was able to give him the opportunity to experience driving what was seen as a top of the range fleet truck when 40yrs previously he had sat me on his knee and allowed me to steer his pride and joy ‘Thomas’
Dave… what a way to remember your old dad doing that trip with you …mine hated trucks and only on one occasion go with me .it was to Hulland products where he had worked when he was younger and did see some old mates.I think i did ok always in work he should of been pleased for me… I retired at 53 very comfortable. this was the same age he died.
John
Sheards of Shaw nr Oldham.Taken over by Howarth Bro’s of Royton who themselves pulled out of haulage and now run a trailer hire business at Royton.Photo given to me by ex Sheard driver Chris Wrigley.
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
Eyup John,fine thanks and you? I did have a photo somewhere of a RJN motor being sheeted up at Ambergate but it’s gone missing in my filing system I thought that RJN handed all their work over to Hoyles but I do remember seeing the green RJN wagons running about in the 60s and 70s,very often through Bakewell.I remember the wireworks in Warrington were called Rylands or Rylands Whitecross and they weren’t far out of the town centre.I’m sure there was another wire firm in Warrington but can’t recall who they were.
Hiya Chris, are you thinking of Thomas Lockers? Known lately as Locker.
Seem to remember RJNL had some 4 wheelers which I think were based at Manchester.
Do you remember some drivers who could,nt reverse off the the main road into the bays at RJNL, caused traffic chaos. There was one firm I knew (pre HGV licence)
who would say to a driver, take that artic to Johnsons and load up. I can’t drive an artic, was the usual answer. Don’t worry, you will be able to by the time you get back
Used to deliver timber to Ambergate works, had to go right round the back. They didn’t have a fork truck big enough to lift off the slings of timber,2 and 1/2 to 3 Ton, which were thin boards. So they used a normal one, which was very tiny, and 2 wire carrier ones, (the ones that had a pole at the front instead of forks). The first one to lift up enough so the other 2 had room to get in. Then they all lift together and I drive away. Wonder if you would get away with that now.
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
Eyup John,fine thanks and you? I did have a photo somewhere of a RJN motor being sheeted up at Ambergate but it’s gone missing in my filing system I thought that RJN handed all their work over to Hoyles but I do remember seeing the green RJN wagons running about in the 60s and 70s,very often through Bakewell.I remember the wireworks in Warrington were called Rylands or Rylands Whitecross and they weren’t far out of the town centre.I’m sure there was another wire firm in Warrington but can’t recall who they were.
Hiya Chris, are you thinking of Thomas Lockers? Known lately as Locker.
Seem to remember RJNL had some 4 wheelers which I think were based at Manchester.
Do you remember some drivers who could,nt reverse off the the main road into the bays at RJNL, caused traffic chaos. There was one firm I knew (pre HGV licence)
who would say to a driver, take that artic to Johnsons and load up. I can’t drive an artic, was the usual answer. Don’t worry, you will be able to by the time you get back
Used to deliver timber to Ambergate works, had to go right round the back. They didn’t have a fork truck big enough to lift off the slings of timber,2 and 1/2 to 3 Ton, which were thin boards. So they used a normal one, which was very tiny, and 2 wire carrier ones, (the ones that had a pole at the front instead of forks). The first one to lift up enough so the other 2 had room to get in. Then they all lift together and I drive away. Wonder if you would get away with that now.
Ray
Hi Ray,never had the pleasure of the Ambergate tip but there was King’s Steel at Aston B’ham where only half the six-legger Reiver was under the crane for tipping steel bars and you had to stand back when the weight was taken off the wagon 'cos the steel in the slings would go to and fro.
I once backloaded a chain from Cradley Heath for British United Trawlers at Grimsby and they just tied a rope at one end and I drove off - great tip that was
hiya …been a bighead i was always good at reversing. there was a old school driver. and if he was infront of us at Greymare lane
we would cringe. he had a Atki and did’nt draw across the road and back in he would draw along the pavement and try to jack knife
in. well if i told you it took 3/4 of a hour to back in i would be lying it took a hour all the traffic was stuck and us drivers was going
mad. if we was talking and they called his firm i would say i’ll do it pop no way he had to have a go. I had a J reg ERF whoosh
straight in 3 seconds max but not this chap all morning.
John
Taken today whilst passing their yard Oldham Rd Manchester.
Hadfields who were once a removal firm originate from Old Street Ashton U Lyne where they were based during the 50s before they moved to sheply ind estate in Audenshaw nr M/chester and then moving to the depot they are in now.
They now have quite an impressive fleet of motors.These are just a few.
He was 82yrs old at the time and hadn’t driven anything bigger than his car for 12yrs and certainly hadn’t driven a Scania with what they called a 14 speed manual gearbox although I think it was actually a 12 speed 3+3+3 plus a very low & high 1st gear 
