Driving hours period is 00.00 Sun to 00.00 Sun. Agree, disagree.
Shift pattern is Fri to Tues.
Therefore if a driver used 10 hrs drive time on mon and tues, then had his/her rest period we’d and thurs, returned to work on fri and drove 10 hrs, would driver had exceeded the 10 hr driving period in that week?
I believe, and stand to be corrected that the driver had exceeded the 10 hr rule in that week, however there is a school of thought amongst our management that because the driver had the rest period on wed and thurs, then driver starts fresh on fri with clean slate.
If that’s the case then why did the driver receive an infringement notice showing he had exceed the 9 hr driving period on thre occasions ie mon,tue&fri.
I like to keep things simple, my understanding is driver hrs regs run sun to sun, simple, regardless of the shift pattern.
I think sometimes people make the rules up as they go along to suit.
I also stand to be corrected but understood this matter along the lines of max driving time of 9 hours may be extended to 10 hours twice between any two weekly rest periods. Not fixed weeks,which do run 00:00 Sunday - Sunday.
So depends on what happened on Fri, Sat , Sun shifts on the previous fixed week as to whether hours were exceeded
Hi dear boy, you may well be right, and I’m wrong. It depends who you talk too I guess and their interpretation. However how would it impact on the 90 hrs over two weeks is it fixed sun-sun or is it rolling between weekly rest as potentially if I worked fri-tues, think I could drive 10 hrs mon & tue, rest wed & thurs, then drive 10 hrs Fri @ sat?
You can only extend your driving period over 9hrs twice in a FIXED WEEKLY PERIOD - ie midnight sunday to midnight sunday.
waynedl:
You can only extend your driving period over 9hrs twice in a FIXED WEEKLY PERIOD - ie midnight sunday to midnight sunday.
That’s what I thought,regardless of shift pattern. It makes sense as the tacho resets 00.00 sun. Eg last sun my driving hrs showed 86, on mon it had reset to 42. Therefore I am now in new week.
10 hr drive ruling is 2 allowed per fixed week not between weekly rest periods rest reductions are between weekly rest periods
The same mix up seems to be happening in many recent posts where the rules for the fixed week are getting mixed up with the rules for between weekly rests
The advice is to take each rule in turn and determine what period that rule has to fit in with - then go onto the next rule and do the same
Trying to sort more than one rule at a time can often get people confused
houndcat:
Driving hours period is 00.00 Sun to 00.00 Sun. Agree, disagree.
Shift pattern is Fri to Tues.
Therefore if a driver used 10 hrs drive time on mon and tues, then had his/her rest period we’d and thurs, returned to work on fri and drove 10 hrs, would driver had exceeded the 10 hr driving period in that week?
I believe, and stand to be corrected that the driver had exceeded the 10 hr rule in that week, however there is a school of thought amongst our management that because the driver had the rest period on wed and thurs, then driver starts fresh on fri with clean slate.
If that’s the case then why did the driver receive an infringement notice showing he had exceed the 9 hr driving period on thre occasions ie mon,tue&fri.
I like to keep things simple, my understanding is driver hrs regs run sun to sun, simple, regardless of the shift pattern.
I think sometimes people make the rules up as they go along to suit.
Your management are idiots. I hope this helps.
I stand corrected, not for the first time and won’t be the last 
You are right.
But on that shift pattern. (friday to Tuesday)
He could do a 10 hour drive on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. But he couldn’t do that if he’d done 10 hour drives on the previous monday and tuesday.
Things like that and the 90 hour fortnightly driving rules need to be sorted out.
If you drive 10 hours monday, tuesday, wednesday and thursday. You are a danger to other road users, But if you drive 10 hours saturday, sunday, monday and tuesday, you are a nice, law abiding quality driver. 
I suggest you show your management a copy of VOSA Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs.
They show an example of a 2 week driving period where the driver does 4 x 10 hour drives between weekly rest periods which started on consecutive Thursdays, but they only did 2x 10 hour drives between each Monday to Sunday period.
Coffeeholic:
Your management are idiots. I hope this helps.
welcome back Coffeeholic,
muckles:
I suggest you show your management a copy of VOSA Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs.
They show an example of a 2 week driving period where the driver does 4 x 10 hour drives between weekly rest periods which started on consecutive Thursdays, but they only did 2x 10 hour drives between each Monday to Sunday period.
Saw this on CPC this morning when you first look it looks like you cant but when you read it again you can.
Daytrunker:
muckles:
I suggest you show your management a copy of VOSA Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs.
They show an example of a 2 week driving period where the driver does 4 x 10 hour drives between weekly rest periods which started on consecutive Thursdays, but they only did 2x 10 hour drives between each Monday to Sunday period.
Saw this on CPC this morning when you first look it looks like you cant but when you read it again you can.
It also shows an example of how you can do 2 consecutive reduced weekly breaks. 
muckles:
Daytrunker:
muckles:
I suggest you show your management a copy of VOSA Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs.
They show an example of a 2 week driving period where the driver does 4 x 10 hour drives between weekly rest periods which started on consecutive Thursdays, but they only did 2x 10 hour drives between each Monday to Sunday period.
Saw this on CPC this morning when you first look it looks like you cant but when you read it again you can.
It also shows an example of how you can do 2 consecutive reduced weekly breaks.
By paying back at the end of week 3 having a regular 45 hours weekly rest plus the last 2 weeks reduced rest of 21 hours for each reduced week plus split daily rest in the prior 2 weeks of reduced rest.
Now I should know, I sat the cpc module yesterday!!
It goes like this…er, mmm, now then…
I’ll stick to brain surgery!
Daytrunker:
muckles:
Daytrunker:
muckles:
I suggest you show your management a copy of VOSA Rules on Driver Hours and Tachographs.
They show an example of a 2 week driving period where the driver does 4 x 10 hour drives between weekly rest periods which started on consecutive Thursdays, but they only did 2x 10 hour drives between each Monday to Sunday period.
Saw this on CPC this morning when you first look it looks like you cant but when you read it again you can.
It also shows an example of how you can do 2 consecutive reduced weekly breaks.
By paying back at the end of week 3 having a regular 45 hours weekly rest plus the last 2 weeks reduced rest of 21 hours for each reduced week plus split daily rest in the prior 2 weeks of reduced rest.
Its far simpler than that, but difficult to explain with a diagram, find the VOSA hours manual online and have a read. All will become clear.
four tens on the bounce if you so desire! 
you need a diary, to write it down 
also depends what you did prior to that weekly rest period, BUT IT’LL ■■■■ YOU UP FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK!