a driver starts his (or hers) weekly shift at 00.05 on a sunday (essentially saturday night)
driven hours and daily rests are not in question, but start times are around about the same time for the week with said driver finishing their weekly shift on a friday at around 11.00. said driver has worked for 6 calendar days consecutively.
saturday will be their weekly rest day, plus what was left of the friday, with the reduced paid back the following weekly rest period
driver is due back in to start their next weekly shift at the same time as last week, namely 00:05 on sunday morning/saturday night.
question is, is it legal to put drivers card in before 23:59 on saturday night? surely
this would equate to being on duty for a 7th consecutive calendar day, and by the time the next weekly shift finishes on thursday, would mean 12 consecutive calendar days worked.
this is not an argument of why would you want to work that etc etc. and i think the confusion is getting lost in translation between calendars days and 24hour work periods.
again, reduced rests and 10 hours drivers or 90 hour fortnight do not need addressing.
it’s purely a question of whether said driver can put their card in before midnight on the saturday night.
it does not matter about calendar days(nothing in regs re calendar days, the only issue that u need to be concerned about as far as i can see is complying with weekly rests, 45 regular or any reduced paid back within 3 weeks following the week you are in.
Correct.
From gov.uk/drivers-hours/eu-rules
“your weekly rest after 6 consecutive 24-hour periods of working, starting from the end of the last weekly rest period taken”
yep, i think the confusion is 6 consecutive days, which is what i was told many moons ago, i don’t ever remember being told it’s 6 x 24 hour periods, it was always 6 calendar days, but maybe that came about from monday-friday work and only willing to do a bit of overtime on a saturday or a sunday.
i was always aware of getting in a sufficient daily rest before the 24hour was up, whether that was an 11 or a 9, and as a rule my reduced weekly rest is always paid back the following weekly rest, ive always just tried to keep it simple and easy to manage.
Assuming this is just an information exercise, don’t forget about your 10 hour working time limit for night work (ie anytime between 00:00 & 04:00 for HGV drivers).
Off the top of my head I can’t remember if you still have a 15 hour duty time available or if that is reduced, perhaps someone else can fill in that blank.
You can legally work 365 calendar days a year so long as you take your weekly rest period. You could start this at 0100 Saturday and start back at work 2200 Sunday and you could do this continually.
Zac_A:
Assuming this is just an information exercise, don’t forget about your 10 hour working time limit for night work (ie anytime between 00:00 & 04:00 for HGV drivers).
Off the top of my head I can’t remember if you still have a 15 hour duty time available or if that is reduced, perhaps someone else can fill in that blank.
you are able to opt out of this, which is what we do.
Night Work Rules
A night work is defined as a duty that takes place entirely or partly between the hours of midnight and 4am for HGV drivers. For PSV drivers the hours differ slightly and are between 1am and 5am.
During a night work duty, you may not exceed 10 hours of working within a 24 hour period. This 24 hour period begins as soon as you begin you first duty in a working week. (i.e. After weekly rest has been taken)
This 10 hour limit does not include breaks and periods of availability.
As a result, you could still legally complete up to a 15 hour shift by having enough Break and POA.
Note – You can opt out of this rule through a collective or workforce agreement.
Harry Monk:
You can legally work 365 calendar days a year so long as you take your weekly rest period. You could start this at 0100 Saturday and start back at work 2200 Sunday and you could do this continually.
something to bear in mind when home life gets too much
Why would anyone want to put a card in before they’ve even booked onto their shift? If anything, there should be a 10 min “Lead in” between the time you book on, and the time you insert your card - to allow for going to the transport office, getting your assignment paperwork/keys and then finding your vehicle for the shift in the yard… Also, don’t forget to show a clear 15 minutes AFTER inserting your card - for your walkaround checks. (driving to the service island would not look bad as a momentary trace though)
Winseer:
Why would anyone want to put a card in before they’ve even booked onto their shift? If anything, there should be a 10 min “Lead in” between the time you book on, and the time you insert your card - to allow for going to the transport office, getting your assignment paperwork/keys and then finding your vehicle for the shift in the yard… Also, don’t forget to show a clear 15 minutes AFTER inserting your card - for your walkaround checks. (driving to the service island would not look bad as a momentary trace though)
it wasn’t a case of putting the card in before you’ve booked on for your shift. my shift starts at the moment i put my card in, whether that’s 00:05 or somewhere in the 23:00 hour.
as a general rule i make my way in to work (45mile journey) on a Saturday, usually early afternoon and do my weeks food shop and then grab my keys and any paperwork and then have some dinner in the truck and get my head down ready for the weeks fun and games. we have a quiet yard and i prefer it to a drive down just before i’m due in. i’ve got young kids at home and to ask them to be quiet in the afternoon whilst i’m trying to sleep is unfair on them.
i always show up to 15 minutes of other work whilst i’m doing my vehicle checks, and always show a small drive across the yard to grab my trailer, which gives me a chance to check braking and steering etc are good.
