So…how would you do it? facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10 … 4458815577 If its me and I dont have the correct trailer and they wont let me use ratchets, I am not taking it.
edit…Further information, each pallet weighs 600kg and they wont let you use ratchet straps, here is the picture…
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Industry standard, won’t leave the factory if not strapped.
Cross internals after every two stacks, through top pallet corner.
Two upright pallets against last pallets, with ratchet through pallets, pulling forwards.
Airbags filling gap between upright pallets and back doors.
Drive easy, and avoid potholes… 
They’ll show you how they want it strapping.
Conform…or no load.
When I was doing it, the trailer had to have long internal straps with rope on the end, not clips, so you can dolly off the rope to tighten strap.
commonrail:
They’ll show you how they want it strapping.
Conform…or no load.
This. When you go to Egger to load chipboard they tell you how you’re strapping it. You can do more than they say but you can’t do less. Basically unless you know you’re only picking up a 6 pack load if you turn up without 15 straps and ratchets you’re not getting loaded.
Bottles
Compression packs with spacers and banding or shrink wrapped pallets?
iirc you use the internals through the block every 2nd pallet, then a couple of pallets stood up across the back with a ratchet strap through them to pull them forward and stop them moving backwards
Conor:
commonrail:
They’ll show you how they want it strapping.
Conform…or no load.This. When you go to Egger to load chipboard they tell you how you’re strapping it. You can do more than they say but you can’t do less. Basically unless you know you’re only picking up a 6 pack load if you turn up without 15 straps and ratchets you’re not getting loaded.
Indeed. Worked a treat that did and pulled out empty every time so win win
Was good work for a tramper.
Wot? Don’t you have 'em double stacked and then sheets and ropes?
I loaded…
7 a night for WH Malcolms out of Barnsley glass.
As others have pointed out, every two pallets, which when topped out becomes 4, strap through the top pallet and go forwards. Malcolms had rope so I’d do two dollies going towards the front of the trailer. Four pallets stacked on the back with two ratchets pulling the whole lot forward. They had a portable ramp to access the rear of the trailer.
None of this counts for anything if you drive it like a cockwomble.
I’ve seen entire loads bulging the curtains just by being moved across the yard.
The safest way to transport it would be solid walls and driven up with a forklift but, due to our misplaced trust in curtains, that’s the way it continues.
Did them lots for Quinn Glass. We were told to use internal straps threaded through every fourth top pallet. The wrapped ones like that rarely go over. It’s the tall stacks of unwrapped, just banded. Would just take one particular bump in a particular way and once one goes you just have to watch the whole load collapse. No idea why they sent them unwrapped as getting to destination was like a bloody lottery! My worst was just as I was pulling up to delivery, hit speed bump probably a tiny bit to fast, heard the the inevitable ‘glass tinkle of disaster’ sound and with security watched whole load give up the ghost! They let me in, drove round the security hut and drove back out with barely a word spoken.
yourhavingalarf:
due to our misplaced trust in curtains, that’s the way it continues.
Is it misplaced though? I see all this move to over securing loads as a bit over the top when you consider how many times you actually see a load come out of the curtains. They’ll hold a full load of empty glass bottles easily in my experience, I’ve never known one let go. I’ve known them hold way more than that.
The pallets weigh 600kg each and they wont let you use ratchet straps
shullbit:
The pallets weigh 600kg each and they wont let you use ratchet straps
Because if you throw a strap over and ratchet it tight then it’s just going to crush.
When I used to move them in a euroliner with no internals (imports not loaded at factory) I’d sometimes throw a strap through the pallet on top and ratchet it but I also sometimes didn’t bother - they don’t move when wrapped like that. (A heinous crime I know 
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But as has already been said, if you’re loading in a factory you’ll be told how to strap them and if you don’t like it then no load.
Are you asking because you don’t agree that it’s secure the way they want it done?
switchlogic:
No idea why they sent them unwrapped as getting to destination was like a bloody lottery!
That will be because some bean counter somewhere has calculated that the cost of dealing with failed loads is less than the cost of wrapping them securely would be. If a load fails it just becomes cullet and is melted down and re-worked.
Carrying that on a curtain sider is a can of worms.At the least if any of it shatters you could have glass fragments dropping between the curtain and load deck onto the road.
Like bricks need to go on a cage or dropsider it needs to go in a box trailer and in cages not on pallets.
crunch13:
shullbit:
The pallets weigh 600kg each and they wont let you use ratchet strapsBecause if you throw a strap over and ratchet it tight then it’s just going to crush.
When I used to move them in a euroliner with no internals (imports not loaded at factory) I’d sometimes throw a strap through the pallet on top and ratchet it but I also sometimes didn’t bother - they don’t move when wrapped like that. (A heinous crime I know
But as has already been said, if you’re loading in a factory you’ll be told how to strap them and if you don’t like it then no load.
Are you asking because you don’t agree that it’s secure the way they want it done?
I know that, you know that, but dvsa don’t know that, and indeed when I was a new driver I got a collection similar to this and how you describe is how I strapped it, but now I have a better understanding of what is expected of us by dvsa as in the the law says we must use ratchet straps if a pallet weighs more than 400kg or is double stacked, so obviously you MUST need the correct trailer, under current dvsa rules to be able to transport this load without using ratchet straps, I am just looking at this from the point of view of the law as it stands, and if they wont let me use ratchet straps I would refuse the load, because if I got pulled I would be braking dvsa rules and I would be the one getting fined.
If you would get a fine for this… Then you would get a fine for the bottles
switchlogic:
It’s the tall stacks of unwrapped, just banded. Would just take one particular bump in a particular way and once one goes you just have to watch the whole load collapse. No idea why they sent them unwrapped as getting to destination was like a bloody lottery!
They put the pallets (called compression packs) on the start of the bottling line cut the straps and the machine sweeps 1 layer at a time off the top, the shiney dividers allow them to slip away easy, then the machine lifts up a layer to allow the next layer to be pushed off the top.
Yes they are a nightmare to carry, which is why they use the internals through the block/pallet of every 2nd row, and pack the back pallets with pallets and ratchet straps
shullbit:
I do agree with you tbh. It’s hard to see how it meets the rules when you can’t use internals on anything over 400kg.
I’d like to think if you were stopped, telling them that’s how you are told to strap it at the collection point would be a sufficient defence but who knows anymore.
You’d be quite within your rights not to take it if you didn’t believe it was safe. Can’t see too many haulage companies backing you up though. It’s ■■■■■■■■ really, glad I don’t do curtains anymore!
switchlogic:
yourhavingalarf:
due to our misplaced trust in curtains, that’s the way it continues.Is it misplaced though?
In some ways…
I think it is. A whole generation of drivers who work to the ‘they’re closed I’m good to go’ method. With DVLA and plod pulling everyone with a curtain behind them and fining them for not putting 2 ratchet straps over an empty pallet, the ‘is it ever going to be safe in there?’ question arises again.
In my experience, glass bottles and jars in packed in the way they are, would be far more secure transported in a box.
