Secure load checks: Whose responsible?

On an XL rated curtainsider, not just load bearing curtains, then if you have a positive fit load - no gaps front or rear and a max of 80mm to the sides, then no restraint is required.

On a standard curtainsider or a non positive fit load on an XL rated trailer, then you can secure pallets upto 400kg using the internals. Over 400kg and they’ll need ratcheting etc.

You need to secure 100% of the weight from moving forwards and 50% of the weight from moving backwards or sideways.

On a part positive fit load on an XL rated trailer, you’d just need to secure in the direction that isn’t a positive fit, so 24 1t pallets would need 12t of force pulling forward

yourhavingalarf:

toby1234abc:
JonS , the weight of each pallet for the drinks maybe a printed label on each pallet , the weight should be there .
The other dilemma is that the law requires each row of pallets , as the drinks will be over 400kgs per pallet , to be strapped with a ratchet strap and not internals .

If you are stood at the side of the load , DVSA want a strap at the front of the pallet ,to stop forward movement ( Harsh braking , or an accident ) , one over the side and one over the rear , which is three straps per one row .
At the loading point , they will refuse to load if the driver is inside the trailer due to health and safety drivers break their hips from falling off trailers . And they don’t want us walking over the product damaging either plastic or glass bottles with a load refused for their customers .

Once they have loaded the trailer it will be harder to get a strap in front and back of pallets as there is gap , the easy way is to strap it as they load it but not allowed and some places it’s sit in the cab and stay away ,another point is damage to the load when strapping as in crushed bottles .
For loads using internal straps , nothing more annoying to find the internals trapped under the pallets or trapped at the headboard unable to use them .

Another issue is you strap a load and you have used up all your ratchet straps provided then told to drop the trailer at base for another driver to deliver it , but that trailer has all your straps , and now get another load that needs strapping but no straps .

Or another scenario is at a delivery point , they unload the trailer of drinks through the rear doors , that means taking off the straps before getting on the bay .Which means climbing over the load and some places won’t allow that .

No finer example…

Of why a curtainsider is completely unsuitable for this kind of load.

These kind of loads should be on a box trailer with solid walls to stop sideways movement and pallets blocked against each other to stop forward movement. No stupid strap this that way and strap that the other way cobblers. Drive them up through the back doors stick a load lock on 'em and go.

But because curtains are cheaper and the majority of sites are geared up to load them, you’ll still be pulling curtains in the wind and rain and then getting pulled over for ‘insecure load driver’ for the foreseeable future.

But we all know that in reality, curtainsiders ARE fine to carry a load of shrink wrapped pop on pallets, they only are deemed unsuitable when the goalposts were moved, and the ridiculous rules came about.
I say they are safe, but that depends on how the truck is driven,.and there lies the problem.

Ae all used to cross a couple of internals over the back, and away you went with no dramas, but like everything else you got the odd exception (pertaining to the law of averages) where the odd one or two had a ■■■■ up scenario…■■■■ happens.
Then it came about that we had to put internals across or down each row of pallets, which in my opinion is adequate, and has been proven so thousands of times by those who can drive.
These ■■■■ up scenarios increased when trucks began to be driven like cars, by idiots who did not know any different, with all the consequences of that …
So we now have pedantic and ott rules to cater for the lowest common denominator (as Juddian would say) of driver, so now everything has to be strapped up to within an inch of it’s life, in a belt and braces style.

Just to make a point, I’ve seen on one or more occasions where I have brought stuff up 350 miles from somewhere, dropped my trailer and checked through back doors, everything fine and straight.
Then the monkey who picks trailer up on a Monday morning still manages to make the load move (however slight) on the last 100 mile or so up the road that he takes it, tear aresing round roundabouts, going at it like there’s no tomorrow, arse on fire stuff and the like. :unamused:
It got to the stage where I actually felt the need to photo the load through back doors when dropping trailer. :unamused: …which was a shocker to one of the useless ■■■■ s. :smiley:

(On an entirely different side note …why is this guy who is the ex copper willing to go in and strap it up in his own time without pay. :unamused: …just curious,.why not go in, do it, and get paid for it,.as it is part of your job. :bulb:)

robroy:
But we all know that in reality, curtainsiders ARE fine to carry a load of shrink wrapped pop on pallets, they only are deemed unsuitable when the goalposts were moved, and the ridiculous rules came about.
I say they are safe, but that depends on how the truck is driven,.and there lies the problem.

I agree with you…

Up to a point. Instead of they are fine to carry, I’m inclined to say that with all this nonsense of ‘strap this strap that’, that they were fine to carry. I’ve done more than my fair share of Coke outta Wakey to know that even with strapping, loads have shifted. Loads that would not have moved in a box.

I disliked the things when they first appeared and given the choice, always took a flat with sheets if I could.

I’m on fridges now (part of the reason for working where I do) and I as far as I can see, I won’t ever pull another curtain. Mainly because I don’t wanna end up getting busted because I didn’t put 4 ratchets over an empty pallet.

First of all, again my apologies to stu, the op for this thread; I hijacked your thread not expecting such a large number of replies.
Robroy, this ‘excopper’ retired and returned to teach police driving but am tired of high speed, pursuits and the like; I was lucky recently to have access to an hgv1 for training so took the opportunity to practice driving the truck, having passed my test well over 30 years ago in the RAF…and having practiced found I loved it so am looking for a career change. I have managed to get casual work in Bridgend but lack experience and this is one of the questions I was asking…more to follow at some point but I will search first to see if the points have been covered before. I’m not a troll…My question was serious and an honest query.
I’m glad I did ask because until now I thought load bearing curtains and xl rated curtains were the same thing!!! May sound stupid to you who know but how can you tell the difference?
Why would I go in early for free? I was thinking I should ensure my load is secure and if common practice for the company was to run without a secure load (which I now need to check, as they may be xl rated for all I know) for peace of mind I thought to get in early and spend time securing it. I take on board what you say about it being how you drive, but a load can shift as a result of some other twanock say, on a roundabout, pulling across your path causing you to swerve.

JonS:
First of all, again my apologies to stu, the op for this thread; I hijacked your thread not expecting such a large number of replies.
Robroy, this ‘excopper’ retired and returned to teach police driving but am tired of high speed, pursuits and the like; I was lucky recently to have access to an hgv1 for training so took the opportunity to practice driving the truck, having passed my test well over 30 years ago in the RAF…and having practiced found I loved it so am looking for a career change. I have managed to get casual work in Bridgend but lack experience and this is one of the questions I was asking…more to follow at some point but I will search first to see if the points have been covered before. I’m not a troll…My question was serious and an honest query.
I’m glad I did ask because until now I thought load bearing curtains and xl rated curtains were the same thing!!! May sound stupid to you who know but how can you tell the difference?
Why would I go in early for free? I was thinking I should ensure my load is secure and if common practice for the company was to run without a secure load (which I now need to check, as they may be xl rated for all I know) for peace of mind I thought to get in early and spend time securing it. I take on board what you say about it being how you drive, but a load can shift as a result of some other twanock say, on a roundabout, pulling across your path causing you to swerve.

The XL rated trailers we use have clear markings on side sheets and back doors.

Place we load from regular In stoke.
One our drivers got to destination yesterday part of load had shifted and was damaged.
He’s in for a disciplinary.
But he still insists it’s the flt in stoke to blame .itsbthe way he loaded it .
Not the fact he didn’t strap anything down.and.probably drove like am idiot

Need to add it’s loaded on curtain side with forklift.
Fella involved usually.opens curtains gets in cab .when done closed them and drives off.

well i was loading scrap rail lines today on a flat trl with side pins and used a total of 6 straps on the load.yet another guy was loading rail concrete sleepers 3 high stack on flay trl and all he used was one strap straight across the middle.to me that is not safe at all should be at least 2 straps on them eith protection under the strap.at end of day if ur not happt break seal get someone to see that u doen it for ur safety and satifction at end of day.if they say no then refuse to take it out till ur happy.why should u tale something on a road u do not know how its loaded ad not happy with.if it was double decker how do u know they not put heavy stuff on top so when u go round a roundabout then next min u on ur side on it

Use common sense…

If taking over a loaded and already sealed trailer/rigid…

Does the whole thing look lop-sided when you start to move away in it?

On several occasions, I could hear a cage rolling about on the back, so I just backed it back onto a bay, and informed them that there was an insecure load on back, known without even having to break the seal to look.

The load could be lop-sided because of bad weight distribution of course. A cage on one side piled up to the top with tins, with the one on the other side having boxes of crisps in it…

If I’ve got a rigid loaded so that the wheel arch on one side is rubbing against the tyre, then the only place I’m going is back onto the bay to get the load shifted about so it balances properly. :neutral_face:

Reef:
Tesco’s use the Secureseal system, a little known fact but you ARE allowed to open the back just so long as you go to outbound traffic to get the new Secureseal code rubber stamped and signed off on the paperwork.

Of course I don’t know anyone that does though.

Well I took a d/d from t/port to Worksop & there was no seal on that door or even a pod / risk assessment , as for opening the back Door a little known fact I did it nearly every day as they’d leave the switch on int control not ext so you couldn’t try the t/l without opening the door

trevHCS:
I would also ask them for a letter stating they accept responsibility for the loading and that the driver has no access to the load pre setoff.

Certainly, I would ask for something authoritative showing that it is company policy for the trailer to be sealed prior to the driver’s presence, and that there are systems in place to ensure loading is done safely and properly.

There has to be common sense. If a company of Tesco’s scale and stature sets an operating policy and a system of work which someone in authority is willing to provide to the driver in writing, and there is no other reason to suspect anything amiss (including past experience of the firm), then I would expect that to count the same as if a sealed shipping container were being carried (where there is no need for a letter, because the operating mode of that sector is well-known to the authorities).

But I would not accept the same principles for a haulier of considerably lesser repute, where the reliability and controls will not be the same as Tesco, and where the need for security or the efficiency gains from special systems of work will not be as compelling.

If a two-bit firm gives the driver paperwork saying the load is sealed and cannot be checked, they are bound to be on a fiddle.