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Perfect grumpybum. Thanks very much.
David
Rob K:
I only wear them if they’re fitted. If they’re not fitted then I don’t bother wearing them.
David Miller:
What an amazing comment from one driver to others. I mean, we do that all the time don’t we children.
Which is why every day we are heading more towards a nanny state because some people need to be treated like children.
This government have got it right with cctv, speed cameras, ID cards etc etc because some people need to be watched 24/7.
Tramper:
Whats it to do with you Grandad!
:
Err…Great Grandad, if you don’t mind 
Have you added it to your cart yet David? €20? Cheap at half the price
Mothertrucker:
The examiner cancelled the test as he said he was not
expected to go out on the road with out the safety of a belt.
And I agree with him, exactly what I was advocating, freedom of choice. You
denied him the choice to wear one.
Mothertrucker:
However - there is no legislation dictating that there have to be seatbelts fited in training trucks
Can you verify this as AFAIK training vehicles are subject to the same laws re seat belts as other goods vehicles.
It simply goes back to the ’ they have to be worn if fitted’ rule
If not fitted, then obviously cannot be worn, during working or training.
Wouldn’t be without it !
mrpj:
Mothertrucker:
However - there is no legislation dictating that there have to be seatbelts fited in training trucksCan you verify this as AFAIK training vehicles are subject to the same laws re seat belts as other goods vehicles.
vehicles registered before Oct 2001 (?) dont need seatbelts , whether they are training vehicles or normal trucks
I posted this about three years ago, but it’s still valid so what the hell, i’ll ruddy well post it again… 
I always wear one in the car, and used to always wear one when i had the Premium 'cos they were attached to the seat. I then went on to an FH where the belts were attached to the cab, not the seat, and i found this uncomfortable so i never wore it. Also i used to tuck the curtains in behind the seat-belt fixing on the cab wall and they would fall out if i put the belt on As others have said, i think they should all be attached to the seat. I never knew i was wearing mine in the Renault. … until i went to jump out in a hurry!
Although judging by an earlier post here, newer FH & FM’s do have their belts attached to the seat. Nice. Mr. Volvo must’ve read my post.
scania have made the choice for you with the R series.
wear it or listen to a permanent beeping sound from the dashboard whilst you drive or fasten it behind the seat like i do.
having hit a stationary car at 50mph in a magnum and not only was i not thrown through the window but i saved the second man from being thrown through the window from the bunk where he was sleeping, all this as well as having the top bunk come down and hit me on the head due to the application of braking power and impact force, i can’t see the point in the forced use of seat belts in trucks.
at 17 i fell out of a moving car, this was because i wasn’t wearing a seat belt.
upon finding the car and the driver down a ditch i discovered that a scaffold pole had struck the passenger seat where i had been sitting and had pinned it through the floor of the old moggy minor, had i not fell from the moving car i would have been pinned to the passenger seat via a huge scaffold pole.
this was 1982 and before the compulsory wearing of seat belts came into force.
i wear a seat belt in a car but find that truck seat belts are very uncomfortable and put pressure on the bladder.
johnny:
scania have made the choice for you with the R series.wear it or listen to a permanent beeping sound from the dashboard whilst you drive or fasten it behind the seat like i do.
having hit a stationary car at 50mph in a magnum and not only was i not thrown through the window but i saved the second man from being thrown through the window from the bunk where he was sleeping, all this as well as having the top bunk come down and hit me on the head due to the application of braking power and impact force, i can’t see the point in the forced use of seat belts in trucks.[/b]
at 17 i fell out of a moving car, this was because i wasn’t wearing a seat belt.
upon finding the car and the driver down a ditch i discovered that a scaffold pole had struck the passenger seat where i had been sitting and had pinned it through the floor of the old moggy minor, had i not fell from the moving car i would have been pinned to the passenger seat via a huge scaffold pole.
this was 1982 and before the compulsory wearing of seat belts came into force.
i wear a seat belt in a car but find that truck seat belts are very uncomfortable and put pressure on the bladder.
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Oh dear, dear, dear. I’ve met and spoken to a lot of incredibly dim truck drivers in my time but this one takes the biscuit by far.
Oh dear, dear, dear. I’ve met and spoken to a lot of incredibly dim truck drivers in my time but this one takes the biscuit by far.
well robk - i’ve never met you and i’ve never spoken to you either (so now who’s dumb) and to be very honest with you, if i did meet you i think i would find that i couldn’t get away from you quick enough, you are probably the most sacntimonious arrogant driver that visits this site and others (my opinion and not those of trucknet).
you have been barred from this site at least once because of your manner, you seem to deliberately wind other trucknet members up out of some self gratification and not only that you post items on here that are private matters between people or businesses and try to throw petrol on other peoples minor disputes.
i recall you coming to this site and since then you have had how many jobs?
every job you try isn’t the right one - there is always something wrong at some point.
you have been driving for a couple of years and suddenly you know it all - i’ve met dozens of people like you in my 20 years doing this job, both on the road and from the other side of the office window keep driving trucks robk because you will never amount to anything more with the attitude you have.
personally it isn’t the wearing of seat belts that i object to - it’s the enforced wearing of seat belts i object to.
people should be allowed to decide what they should do about their own personal safety.
i’ve managed to walk the planet for over 40 years without being hit by a car or a truck whilst moving one foot in front of the other but at some distribution centres you have to walk along yellow lined pathways because somebody thinks we cannot be trusted to continue walking directly from our parked trucks to a booking in office without stumbling into the path of another truck that is forced to travel at the outrageously dangerous site speed of 10mph which is enforced through speed displays along the route.
(note to trucknet mods; if you feel this is a personal attack then i apologise to trucknet admin/mods. please inform me of any action you wish to take and i will abide by your decision).
johnny:
well robk - i’ve never met you and i’ve never spoken to you either (so now who’s dumb) and to be very honest with you, if i did meet you i think i would find that i couldn’t get away from you quick enough, you are probably the most sacntimonious arrogant driver that visits this site and others (my opinion and not those of trucknet).
you have been barred from this site at least once because of your manner, you seem to deliberately wind other trucknet members up out of some self gratification and not only that you post items on here that are private matters between people or businesses and try to throw petrol on other peoples minor disputes.
i recall you coming to this site and since then you have had how many jobs?
every job you try isn’t the right one - there is always something wrong at some point.
you have been driving for a couple of years and suddenly you know it all - i’ve met dozens of people like you in my 20 years doing this job, both on the road and from the other side of the office window keep driving trucks robk because you will never amount to anything more with the attitude you have.
You forgot to add to your trumpet blowing fest that you used to work for Astran’s and did the Middle East and beyond and have been driving long before the wheel was invented and were stuck in the snow on Shapp and there’s nothing you haven’t done, blah blah blah, cos you’re a super trucker…
i’ve managed to walk the planet for over 40 years without being hit by a car or a truck whilst moving one foot in front of the other
Commendable. Pity you don’t have the intelligence to realise that wearing your seat belt will prevent you from falling out of moving cars then.
As that’s the sum of your intelligence, I hate to think what your driving etiquette is like. Thankfully you live down there and I live up here so the chances of meeting you on the same bit of road are unlikely. 
Couldn’t have put my own sentiments better myself, Johnny, and
personally it isn’t the wearing of seat belts that i object to - it’s the enforced wearing of seat belts i object to.
people should be allowed to decide what they should do about their own personal safety.
says it in a nutshell.
Well said johhny!
I choose not to where a seatbelt in the truck, although I do so religiously in the car. This is where the real madness starts - the reason I don’t wear one in the truck is medical, and I am actually eligible for an exemption from this particular law on medical grounds. The same goes for Rikki. In my case it’s because it plays hell with the spasticity I get in my upper back, and in his because he has a tumour which a truck seatbelt lies directly across, causing him untold agony.
Neither of us bother with getting the exemption, which is a matter of applying to DVLA and having your licence endorsed accordingly. Why? Because it costs £60 for the privilege every time you renew your licence.
Given that I’ve never been fined for this, despite renewing my licence several times to upgrade it etc., I’m currently in profit. The one time a copper questioned me about it, not long ago, I explained the situation (with proof of my condition in the form of medication I had with me in the truck) and his response was “fair play”. That was that.
Quite why you should have to pay for something which is based on need and costs the DVLA nothing to implement, I have no clue.
You forgot to add to your trumpet blowing fest that you used to work for Astran’s and did the Middle East and beyond and have been driving long before the wheel was invented and were stuck in the snow on Shapp and there’s nothing you haven’t done, blah blah blah, cos you’re a super trucker…
thats because i have never been further than italy/spain/sweden.
i almost went to portugal once but had to give the trailer up in southern france due to a sudden express requirement, so spain is the furthest that way i have been.
i have never worked for and have never claimed to work for astrans. luckily enough i havenever been caught on the shap in snow although i have been stuck in italy and germany for a few hours because of it and once i had to put snow chains on to travel just 50 kilometers before the road was clear and i had to stop and take them off again.
there is plenty i haven’t done and plenty i wouldlike to try too but i don’t think i will lose any sleep if i don’t get to do those things.
i’ve never claimed to be a super trucker in fact i would rather not be referred to as a trucker if you don’t mind - i prefer to think of myself as a professional driver, i call people i don’t know sir or miss out of politeness and not because i have been in the armed forces because i haven’t.
almost all my working life i have spent driving with a few exceptions when i tried something else (breakers yard, motor mechanic, transport manager, freight broker).
Commendable. Pity you don’t have the intelligence to realise that wearing your seat belt will prevent you from falling out of moving cars then.
perhaps i am showing my age here rob and you your lack of years but if you read the post again, particularly the words moggy minor and i point out that it had a 6 digit number plate you will find that seat belts were not fitted in this car, it’s also due to it’s age that i fell from it, at the time i was supervising a leaner driver friend (not really supervising as in those days a qualified driver no matter how long they had held a full licence could sit at the side of a learner) on a trip to skeggy, the car mounted the pavement and the driver swung the steering wheel to the right to avoid a lampost, as the car dropped from the kerb the door flew open and i couldn’t hold onto the seat well enough to prevent the centrifugal forces dragging me out of the open door, had it been fitted with belts and had i been wearing one (which in 1982 was not a legal requirement) then i would not have fell out of the car - instead i would have been impaled to the passenger seat via a scaffold pole which would almost certainly have killed me - as it happened differently i spent a week in hospital at boston pilgrims with internal injuries and several pieces of skin removed from various parts of my body - mainly my arse, 3 weeks off work and i was fit as a fiddle again and all the better for not having a scaffold pole rivet me through the chest.
i also ride a motorbike rob - no seatbelt there either.
i don’t wear a seat belt in the truck (neither does my employer) because i don’t feel comfortable wearing one - i have tried on several occassions but just cannot get on with it so i don’t bother anymore.
we are supposed to live free but the country and europe is obsessed with cotton wool wrapping everyone from anything remotely dangerous, how long before all sorts of sports are banned because they are dangerous?
where does it all end?
government meddling is what i am against - cowing down to the ridiculous panderings of do gooders gets my goat, and it should get yours too - where will you draw the line at being told what is and isn’t the safe way to do things?
johnny:
government meddling is what i am against - cowing down to the ridiculous panderings of do gooders gets my goat, and it should get yours too - where will you draw the line at being told what is and isn’t the safe way to do things?
It has been extensively proved that wearing a seatbelt will save your life. Yet, all you get is the ‘nanny state’ crap, it’s maybe the one thing the government are actually correct on. But no, you’d rather be flung from your vehicle than abide by the rules.
And what I really object to is seeing children rolling around in cars or lorries without a seatbelt on.
theghostofcain:
johnny:
government meddling is what i am against - cowing down to the ridiculous panderings of do gooders gets my goat, and it should get yours too - where will you draw the line at being told what is and isn’t the safe way to do things?It has been extensively proved that wearing a seatbelt will save your life. Yet, all you get is the ‘nanny state’ crap, it’s maybe the one thing the government are actually correct on. But no, you’d rather be flung from your vehicle than abide by the rules.
And what I really object to is seeing children rolling around in cars or lorries without a seatbelt on.
It may well have been proved that wearing a seatbelt may save your life but dont you think the choice to wear one should be yours?
There are a lot of dangerous things in the world and if I want to do them ,and as long as Im not hurting anyone else,then I should be able to.Its not the Govts job to dictate every aspect of my life (although it would seem like it is).
There is documentation that I read somwhere that stated that for every person killed directly as a result of wearing a seatbelt, there were ten lives saved.
Also, those who were seriously injured by not wearing a seatbelt had to be given expensive treatment - on the National Health (ast our expense dont forget) which would not have been necessary had the been wearing one.
There was also a suggestion that anybody injured while not wearing a belt should be liable for the cost of treatment in hospital as it could be considered self inflicted.
I am all for freedon of choice but things like this and the cost of treating people who will not go for the obvious safety choice effects others who do.
I will not sit in the front of a car when the person behind me is not belted up as, in the event of a collision, that would effect my safety. Again that is my freedom of choice to opt for my own safety.
I also believe the law should be a lot heavier on insisting and monitoring children having to wear seatbelts.