Carryfast:
Absolutely SDU and Disco will hate it.
Probably onto the operator right now why didn’t they spec a B quad are they trying to spite them.lol
Should make a sequel to The Cattle Carters call it the Fuel Carters I’ll play the part of the Brit.Although I’d pull it with an NZ type 8 wheeler rigid in the interests of accuracy to the original.
You’ve got NFI, have you?
If you get the part, they’ll have to get an auto gearbox for you.
You protest laughably too much.My bet is that you couldn’t handle a 9 speed Fuller let alone 13 speed or a 12 speed ZF or even a 6 speed Turner.
Why do people want to knocker a knee to drive a road ranger? Seriously it is 2023, not 1973…
Actually discoman, short of an auto, I reckon a RoadRanger is easier on the knees than any synchro box. As long as the wheels are rolling, no clutch is needed on RoadRanger.
I would think that knackered knees have more to do with other things rather than using a clutch pedal.
Loads of people run and walk, using their knees and giving them shocks for many years with fewer issues than the lardy truckie who jumps out the cab after sitting down for hours…
Carryfast:
You protest laughably too much.My bet is that you couldn’t handle a 9 speed Fuller let alone 13 speed or a 12 speed ZF or even a 6 speed Turner.
I can neither confirm nor deny the ZF, are they harder than a 16 speed ZF?
The other three I can claim competence, high competency with any Road Ranger, including 15 and 18 speed; have you heard of them? How about a quad box?
Don’t try to compare my skills and experience with yours, I’ve spent over forty years learning and gaining experience in jobs good and bad, whereas all you’ve done is complain your face didn’t fit, when you were expected to get out of the driver’s seat to expend a little effort.
I’m trying to be retired, but my phone keep ringing because I have a reputation for ability, cooperation and a decent work ethic.
What have you done in the last forty years, apart ■■■■ on the public teat and blame anyone and everyone for your failures and lack of work ethic?
Now maybe showing your true colours.There’s obviously a big difference between a 16 speed synchro ZF ecosplit v the constant mesh 12 speed splitter.
It can also make even the best Fuller driver look like an amateur novice.A bit like reversing an A frame drawbar v an artic.
My bet is that I could reverse that quad A train about 1 foot further than you could in that regard.Oh and I actually preferred the 12 speed ZF to the 9 and 13 speed Fuller and 15 and 18 speed are just variations on the same range change and splitter combination.All just as easy to synchronise and shift unlike the ZF.
As for synchro boxes I look on them with the same disdain as autos.Both made for amateur wannabees who are better employed driving a forklift and stacking pallets or ■■■■■■■ scaffolding and shuttering and bricks and bags of cement.You sound like the latter to me.
Carryfast:
You protest laughably too much.My bet is that you couldn’t handle a 9 speed Fuller let alone 13 speed or a 12 speed ZF or even a 6 speed Turner.
I can neither confirm nor deny the ZF, are they harder than a 16 speed ZF?
The other three I can claim competence, high competency with any Road Ranger, including 15 and 18 speed; have you heard of them? How about a quad box?
Don’t try to compare my skills and experience with yours, I’ve spent over forty years learning and gaining experience in jobs good and bad, whereas all you’ve done is complain your face didn’t fit, when you were expected to get out of the driver’s seat to expend a little effort.
I’m trying to be retired, but my phone keep ringing because I have a reputation for ability, cooperation and a decent work ethic.
What have you done in the last forty years, apart ■■■■ on the public teat and blame anyone and everyone for your failures and lack of work ethic?
Now maybe showing your true colours.There’s obviously a big difference between a 16 speed synchro ZF ecosplit v the constant mesh 12 speed splitter.
It can also make even the best Fuller driver look like an amateur novice.A bit like reversing an A frame drawbar v an artic.
My bet is that I could reverse that quad A train about 1 foot further than you could in that regard.Have you ever reversed multiple trailers?Oh and I actually preferred the 12 speed ZF to the 9 and 13 speed Fuller and 15 and 18 speed are just variations on the same range change and splitter combination.All just as easy to synchronise and shift unlike the ZF.
As for synchro boxes I look on them with the same disdain as autos.Both made for amateur wannabees who are better employed driving a forklift and stacking pallets or ■■■■■■■ scaffolding and shuttering and bricks and bags of cement.You sound like the latter to me.So, made in vain for you, except you had/have a severe allergy to any work.
True colours? I’ve admitted I’ve never used a 12 speed ZF, I didn’t know such an animal existed until you mentioned it. Maybe it’s another figment of your out of control imagination.
You’ve shown that you have no experience with RoadRanger 'boxes, a 15 speed is not a variant of a 9, 13 or 18 speed.
But, the big question that you have ignored, multiple times for the past five days; do you hold a heavy vehicle licence?
Carryfast:
As for synchro boxes I look on them with the same disdain as autos.Both made for amateur wannabees
Says the elderly wannabe who never was. Thankfully most of us don’t construct our egos on what gearbox we are employed to drive
It obviously seems to matter to SDU when throwing insults around.Strange but no surprise that you’d apply double standards in that regard.
So we can trust a driver to bring a 40t + truck to a safe approach to a hazard but we can’t trust that same driver to make a clean shift on a constant mesh gearbox or by implication even match the clutch faces by synchronising road speed with engine speed.Or reverse something with more than one point of articulation.
Like him you protest laughably too much in that regard.
Carryfast:
You protest laughably too much.My bet is that you couldn’t handle a 9 speed Fuller let alone 13 speed or a 12 speed ZF or even a 6 speed Turner.
I can neither confirm nor deny the ZF, are they harder than a 16 speed ZF?
The other three I can claim competence, high competency with any Road Ranger, including 15 and 18 speed; have you heard of them? How about a quad box?
Don’t try to compare my skills and experience with yours, I’ve spent over forty years learning and gaining experience in jobs good and bad, whereas all you’ve done is complain your face didn’t fit, when you were expected to get out of the driver’s seat to expend a little effort.
I’m trying to be retired, but my phone keep ringing because I have a reputation for ability, cooperation and a decent work ethic.
What have you done in the last forty years, apart ■■■■ on the public teat and blame anyone and everyone for your failures and lack of work ethic?
Now maybe showing your true colours.There’s obviously a big difference between a 16 speed synchro ZF ecosplit v the constant mesh 12 speed splitter.
It can also make even the best Fuller driver look like an amateur novice.A bit like reversing an A frame drawbar v an artic.
My bet is that I could reverse that quad A train about 1 foot further than you could in that regard.Have you ever reversed multiple trailers?Oh and I actually preferred the 12 speed ZF to the 9 and 13 speed Fuller and 15 and 18 speed are just variations on the same range change and splitter combination.All just as easy to synchronise and shift unlike the ZF.
As for synchro boxes I look on them with the same disdain as autos.Both made for amateur wannabees who are better employed driving a forklift and stacking pallets or ■■■■■■■ scaffolding and shuttering and bricks and bags of cement.You sound like the latter to me.So, made in vain for you, except you had/have a severe allergy to any work.
True colours? I’ve admitted I’ve never used a 12 speed ZF, I didn’t know such an animal existed until you mentioned it. Maybe it’s another figment of your out of control imagination.
You’ve shown that you have no experience with RoadRanger 'boxes, a 15 speed is not a variant of a 9, 13 or 18 speed.
But, the big question that you have ignored, multiple times for the past five days; do you hold a heavy vehicle licence?
Firstly the fact that you don’t even know basic types of constant mesh transmissions by a manufacturer like ZF then you suggest that I’m making it up because you don’t know about it says it all.
It’s not multiple trailers it’s how many points of articulation an A double is obviously more difficult to reverse than a B double in that regard IE 3 v 2.More than 3 it obviously ain’t going far backwards regardless.
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Tell us in exactly what way does a 15 speed or 18 speed Fuller differ to a 9 speed or 13 speed other than shift layout and range and splitter control configuration.
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I’ve said this before, NEVER EVER get into a debate with Curryfart, he grinds his opponents into stupification with the same old tired figments of his imagination. He’s trotted them out so often that he confuses them with real life experiences
Remember, he has all day sitting in his bedroom in his underpants to dream up these fantasies
GOG47:
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I’ve said this before, NEVER EVER get into a debate with Curryfart, he grinds his opponents into stupification with the same old tired figments of his imagination. He’s trotted them out so often that he confuses them with real life experiences
Remember, he has all day sitting in his bedroom in his underpants to dream up these fantasies
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Cheers GOG, he certainly lives in an alternative world, eh?
Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that you don’t even know basic types of constant mesh transmissions by a manufacturer like ZF then you suggest that I’m making it up because you don’t know about it says it all.
It’s not multiple trailers it’s how many points of articulation an A double is obviously more difficult to reverse than a B double in that regard IE 3 v 2.More than 3 it obviously ain’t going far backwards regardless.
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Tell us in exactly what way does a 15 speed or 18 speed Fuller differ to a 9 speed or 13 speed other than shift layout and range and splitter control configuration.
Carryfast, come back to earth for a few minutes, you might just learn something from an experienced driver.
What is a basic ZF constant mesh transmission on your side of the world is uncommon on mine. Quite possibly it wasn’t robust enough to handle the far greater weights that are/were customary here. We probably had as many of them as you had W Model Kenworths. ZF is not a major truck gearbox supplier here, they’re a car, automatic gearbox supplier. It’s cheaper to fit a new RoadRanger, than to rebuild a European gearbox.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought more trailers automatically meant more articulation points. You introduced a quad road train into the conversation. A triple road train, five articulation points, can be reversed in a straight line. A double road train, three articulation points, by an operator as skilled as myself, accurately, around corners. Obviously you wouldn’t be able to do so.
So you have an entitlement for classes one and two, whatever that covers, are they current? If miraculously, some fool offered you your dream Euro job, or even a bit of decent distance, domestically, you’re good to go?
An 18 speed RoadRanger is directly related to a 9, as is a 13. A 15 speed RoadRanger is related to a ten speed.
Now stop making yourself look foolish, ignorant and inexperienced by digging that hole deeper.
Carryfast:
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Oh. My. God. So you just gave up from your own free will? You’ve not driven a truck this century why? Can’t be bothered? Or is it below you now? I had been labouring under the misapprehension that you had lost your licence on medical grounds which would have at least been a good reason for giving up and I did feel a bit sorry for you knowing what’s that’s like myself of course but you didnt? You’ve still got it? Good lord.
Now I know that writing this is a mistake, but here goes. CF how can you compare a ZF AK6-90 with an Ecosplit? The Ecosplit is a current gearbox with a maximum torque rating of 2200lbft, the AK6 in it’s various forms was built between 1947 and 1981, and little used after the early 70s, which probably explains why SDU never used one, and from memory it’s maximum input torque was about 700lbft. It was admittedly a strong, robust box, it had to be, what an awful thing it was too from the drivers point of view. Why you prefer a gearbox in which every change was a challenge and was quite capable of kicking back hard enough to hurt instead of a Fuller I’ve no idea. Now as for Ecosplit, with driver hat on I can understand why people didn’t like it, it was very installation dependent, MAN being the best in my book (long stick, plenty of leverage) the worst Mercedes and ERF (short stick, very heavy); from the operators point of view however it’s bomb proof.
Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that you don’t even know basic types of constant mesh transmissions by a manufacturer like ZF then you suggest that I’m making it up because you don’t know about it says it all.
It’s not multiple trailers it’s how many points of articulation an A double is obviously more difficult to reverse than a B double in that regard IE 3 v 2.More than 3 it obviously ain’t going far backwards regardless.
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Tell us in exactly what way does a 15 speed or 18 speed Fuller differ to a 9 speed or 13 speed other than shift layout and range and splitter control configuration.
Carryfast, come back to earth for a few minutes, you might just learn something from an experienced driver.
What is a basic ZF constant mesh transmission on your side of the world is uncommon on mine. Quite possibly it wasn’t robust enough to handle the far greater weights that are/were customary here. We probably had as many of them as you had W Model Kenworths. ZF is not a major truck gearbox supplier here, they’re a car, automatic gearbox supplier. It’s cheaper to fit a new RoadRanger, than to rebuild a European gearbox.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought more trailers automatically meant more articulation points. You introduced a quad road train into the conversation. A triple road train, five articulation points, can be reversed in a straight line. A double road train, three articulation points, by an operator as skilled as myself, accurately, around corners. Obviously you wouldn’t be able to do so.
So you have an entitlement for classes one and two, whatever that covers, are they current? If miraculously, some fool offered you your dream Euro job, or even a bit of decent distance, domestically, you’re good to go?
An 18 speed RoadRanger is directly related to a 9, as is a 13. A 15 speed RoadRanger is related to a ten speed.
Now stop making yourself look foolish, ignorant and inexperienced by digging that hole deeper.
Class 2 is our HR, class one is HC/MC … in uk no such thing as an MC, you can drive an A/B double on a HC. It’s just a merged licence.
I have a ZF box (auto) in my 1997;Scalia bus I am converting into a home to live on land rather than live in city. Moving to a place Dalbeg in QLD.
Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that you don’t even know basic types of constant mesh transmissions by a manufacturer like ZF then you suggest that I’m making it up because you don’t know about it says it all.
It’s not multiple trailers it’s how many points of articulation an A double is obviously more difficult to reverse than a B double in that regard IE 3 v 2.More than 3 it obviously ain’t going far backwards regardless.
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Tell us in exactly what way does a 15 speed or 18 speed Fuller differ to a 9 speed or 13 speed other than shift layout and range and splitter control configuration.
Carryfast, come back to earth for a few minutes, you might just learn something from an experienced driver.
What is a basic ZF constant mesh transmission on your side of the world is uncommon on mine. Quite possibly it wasn’t robust enough to handle the far greater weights that are/were customary here. We probably had as many of them as you had W Model Kenworths. ZF is not a major truck gearbox supplier here, they’re a car, automatic gearbox supplier. It’s cheaper to fit a new RoadRanger, than to rebuild a European gearbox.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought more trailers automatically meant more articulation points. You introduced a quad road train into the conversation. A triple road train, five articulation points, can be reversed in a straight line. A double road train, three articulation points, by an operator as skilled as myself, accurately, around corners. Obviously you wouldn’t be able to do so.
So you have an entitlement for classes one and two, whatever that covers, are they current? If miraculously, some fool offered you your dream Euro job, or even a bit of decent distance, domestically, you’re good to go?
An 18 speed RoadRanger is directly related to a 9, as is a 13. A 15 speed RoadRanger is related to a ten speed.
Now stop making yourself look foolish, ignorant and inexperienced by digging that hole deeper.
Class 2 is our HR, class one is HC/MC … in uk no such thing as an MC, you can drive an A/B double on a HC. It’s just a merged licence.
I have a ZF box (auto) in my 1997;Scalia bus I am converting into a home to live on land rather than live in city. Moving to a place Dalbeg in QLD.
Thanks Discoman, I didn’t realise there were B doubles over there.
My MAN coach has an overdrive, ten speed RoadRanger.
When are you heading north? I’ve got 40 acres, pick a spot. As a bonus, there’s a pub 100 metres across the road.
You’ll make a big impact on Dalbeg’s next census.
acd1202:
Now I know that writing this is a mistake, but here goes. CF how can you compare a ZF AK6-90 with an Ecosplit? The Ecosplit is a current gearbox with a maximum torque rating of 2200lbft, the AK6 in it’s various forms was built between 1947 and 1981, and little used after the early 70s, which probably explains why SDU never used one, and from memory it’s maximum input torque was about 700lbft. It was admittedly a strong, robust box, it had to be, what an awful thing it was too from the drivers point of view. Why you prefer a gearbox in which every change was a challenge and was quite capable of kicking back hard enough to hurt instead of a Fuller I’ve no idea. Now as for Ecosplit, with driver hat on I can understand why people didn’t like it, it was very installation dependent, MAN being the best in my book (long stick, plenty of leverage) the worst Mercedes and ERF (short stick, very heavy); from the operators point of view however it’s bomb proof.
No wonder I’ve never seen one. Apart from the fact that ZF were rare in trucks here, 700ftlb input is in the round town, body truck class.
acd1202:
Now I know that writing this is a mistake, but here goes. CF how can you compare a ZF AK6-90 with an Ecosplit? The Ecosplit is a current gearbox with a maximum torque rating of 2200lbft, the AK6 in it’s various forms was built between 1947 and 1981, and little used after the early 70s, which probably explains why SDU never used one, and from memory it’s maximum input torque was about 700lbft. It was admittedly a strong, robust box, it had to be, what an awful thing it was too from the drivers point of view. Why you prefer a gearbox in which every change was a challenge and was quite capable of kicking back hard enough to hurt instead of a Fuller I’ve no idea. Now as for Ecosplit, with driver hat on I can understand why people didn’t like it, it was very installation dependent, MAN being the best in my book (long stick, plenty of leverage) the worst Mercedes and ERF (short stick, very heavy); from the operators point of view however it’s bomb proof.
You seem to have missed the general insinuation by SDU being that I supposedly can’t drive.
So you admit that it takes a special type of driver, as in half decent, to get decent knife through butter shifts with the ZF to the point of liking to use it.Obviously moreso than the difficult to get wrong Fuller.
Which was my point.
Carryfast:
Firstly the fact that you don’t even know basic types of constant mesh transmissions by a manufacturer like ZF then you suggest that I’m making it up because you don’t know about it says it all.
It’s not multiple trailers it’s how many points of articulation an A double is obviously more difficult to reverse than a B double in that regard IE 3 v 2.More than 3 it obviously ain’t going far backwards regardless.
Yes I’ve still got my class 1 entitlement which I’ve had since 1985 and my class 2 since 1980 subject to medical and DCPC.
Tell us in exactly what way does a 15 speed or 18 speed Fuller differ to a 9 speed or 13 speed other than shift layout and range and splitter control configuration.
Carryfast, come back to earth for a few minutes, you might just learn something from an experienced driver.
What is a basic ZF constant mesh transmission on your side of the world is uncommon on mine. Quite possibly it wasn’t robust enough to handle the far greater weights that are/were customary here. We probably had as many of them as you had W Model Kenworths. ZF is not a major truck gearbox supplier here, they’re a car, automatic gearbox supplier. It’s cheaper to fit a new RoadRanger, than to rebuild a European gearbox.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought more trailers automatically meant more articulation points. You introduced a quad road train into the conversation. A triple road train, five articulation points, can be reversed in a straight line. A double road train, three articulation points, by an operator as skilled as myself, accurately, around corners. Obviously you wouldn’t be able to do so.
So you have an entitlement for classes one and two, whatever that covers, are they current? If miraculously, some fool offered you your dream Euro job, or even a bit of decent distance, domestically, you’re good to go?
An 18 speed RoadRanger is directly related to a 9, as is a 13. A 15 speed RoadRanger is related to a ten speed.
Now stop making yourself look foolish, ignorant and inexperienced by digging that hole deeper.
Which part of what I said is supposedly foolish.
If you’re as knowledgeable as you’d like to think you are you’d have been interested enough to find out about Euro types as much as the local fare.Certainly enough to know the reputation of the ZF box in not allowing idiots to drive it properly.Good luck with floating shifts with that for example.
How does more trailers automatically mean more points of articulation when a B coupling obviously by definition means half as many points of artic.
You say that you can reverse an A triple in a straight line so tell us exactly how far bearing in mind the answer will probably show as usual that not only are you talking bs you don’t even know the difference between an A train v a B train or the superiority of the former over the latter in terms of weight capacity.
Oh and in exactly what way is a 10 speed or 15 speed Fuller any different than any other Fuller box, or constant mesh box in terms of driving, other than being a lot easier to shift cleanly than the ZF.
GOG47:
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I’ve said this before, NEVER EVER get into a debate with Curryfart, he grinds his opponents into stupification with the same old tired figments of his imagination.
Lets not forget his extensive skill with Google (Disclaimer: other, better search engines are available)
