What good reasons that then? Why cant i if i want work 6 days every week ? Wheres the good reason in that?
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.
Does that apply to the * poor small hauliers who can’t make it pay * as well 
If they can’t make a crust running legit, they ought to chuck it 
Or they could get the drivers to run ragged then deny all knowledge when the inevitable happens 
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
pavaroti:
What good reasons that then? Why cant i if i want work 6 days every week ? Wheres the good reason in that?
Because other hauliers then have to make their drivers work six days a week in order to compete with your employer. Many of us have families, friends, children etc and prefer to spend some time with them.
All thats wrong with trucking in the uk is here on this thread what chance have we got.
Don’t know - how about go and work for some scrupulous European hauliers that don’t keep to the law. But don’t complain if you’re told to work your 7th shift for the 40th time this year
Pavaroti if it was up to people like you working 7 days a week would be OK? in my eyes that is greed! This is what happened to another driver about 6 months ago, He was about 12 miles away from getting back to the yard and was out of hours. He phoned to get them to send someone out to come and pick him up and they turned round and said you will have to do a night out he was only in a 7.5 ton and it had no bed in the truck as they no. He was told take taco out and drive home or do a night out (with no bed) He took taco out drove home and got a written warning 3 days later?? He still works for the firm in my eyes he is a fool but going to have a word with some of the lads Monday to see if any of them will back me up?? I suppose the warning was to cover there fat arses…
stewarrior, you aint ever gonna get any back up from your ex workmates, even if they agree to it, you will be left with your ■■■■ in your hand. Just move on mate and chalk it off as a bad experience. Sooner or later your old employer will ■■■■ it up.
wincanton at st helens looking for drivers on the co-op contract if its not to far for you mate, if your looking for work
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.
No wonder there are cowboy outfits out there with blokes like you ready and willing to drive for them sad sad sad
pavaroti:
All thats wrong with trucking in the uk is here on this thread what chance have we got.
Why the freaking hell are you so keen to work 70 hours a week to earn a living?
Even Alabama cotton-picking slaves didn’t have to work hours like that, 150 years ago.
For God’s sake, try to be a bit less subservient to “your master”.
Hello Stewarrior, I pass on my sorrow to you mate, sometimes it don’t really solve anything trying to get even it just don’t seem to work in my opinion, so much for “what goes around comes around”
Different industry but like you I walked out after frustration, leaving my company to pick up the pieces? they got even and gave me, like you a very unfair biased reference to my “next employer” yes thats the clue. I got through even with a bad ref, I asked if I could come in a discuss the damning letter, I explained the situation that I had been used and abused to suit the said previous companies needs and I told them no way Jos^e!(sorry can’t figure out how to do foreign thingy) In my defence to front my proposed new employer with nothing to hide, they saw the light and said in their words not mine “It sounds like a case of sour grapes” on my ex-employer (Tossa’s) part and I was offered the job on a trial basis which is the norm anyway (3 months) Anyway cut long story I am now employed by someone else again some things just don’t change (Leopards don’t change spots! even in different companies?) they are all out there for their own needs, we are the minority!! 
but I’m still able to hold my head up and face the tossa’s knowing I’m better than them ANYDAY!!! 
But if you feel that jobs got your name on it? give them a call and ask them to give you a try ask them what have they got to lose if your on a trial situation, not only for their benefit, but also yours as they maybe just the same as I found out 11 months down the line.
I sincerely hope not on your behalf, but I really don’t think that some others posts. tell’in you that you should have done this or not said that just aint no help, if only we all had hindsight ay?
Good luck mate!! somethings are also not meant to happen, but we don’t understand at the time that there is something better with our name on it round the corner. 
Keep it real and don’t exaggerate! Sam.x 
stewarrior:
Pavaroti if it was up to people like you working 7 days a week would be OK? in my eyes that is greed! This is what happened to another driver about 6 months ago, He was about 12 miles away from getting back to the yard and was out of hours. He phoned to get them to send someone out to come and pick him up and they turned round and said you will have to do a night out he was only in a 7.5 ton and it had no bed in the truck as they no. He was told take taco out and drive home or do a night out (with no bed) He took taco out drove home and got a written warning 3 days later?? He still works for the firm in my eyes he is a fool but going to have a word with some of the lads Monday to see if any of them will back me up?? I suppose the warning was to cover there fat arses…
Tell them you’ve parked the truck up and your wife is on the way to pick you up. Then watch as magically, they find someone to come and pick the truck up
stewarrior:
I walked out of my job about 10 weeks ago now as i was sick of getting asked every week to go over my hours and change taco and there was no way i was doing it, Like i said walked out started looking and as you all know its hard out there at moment, Got myself interview for a firm passed the interview and passed the medical and the test drive not a problem. Was told the job was mine as soon as they got my reference and you all no what comes next! The scum of a boss gave me a bad reference as i walked out on them, not giving a reason why i walked out as they was wanting me to break the law every week. The job was paying 10.50 a hour and xmas coming up i cant believe he done that, Sorry for the moan but i am so angry.
I have read the rest of the thread and come back to the beginning, but are youcertain a bad reference was the reason given to you, if so I would follow SamIam’s advice and ask them to reconsider their decision.
I have heard threats from employers before; “you will never work for any company in this town again”
I gave someone a glowing character reference on Monday and he came home with a new job, the company never even opened my reference.
I am certain there is provision somewhere on the vosa site to report a dodgy company without even giving your name.
jessicas dad:
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maybe new employer wanted you to “bend” the rules as well but now knew you wouldnt do it so didnt bother going ahead with the job.
to be fair last employer can refuse to give a referance which that in itself speaks a thousand words. i have a problem with my last referance which is freightliner but dont expect that to be glowing.
Would that be in relation to your offroad excursion, Alex?
interlog:
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.Those rules and regulations are there for good reason
I really don’t like saying this Pavaroti but with an opinion like that you really are a complete c@ck of the highest order, and plenty of the other posters below your quote seem to agree.
Yep there are plenty of rules and regs in the business that’s because people probably like you have made it that way by the ‘body’ count in the cemetries left in your wake as you go all out to earn that extra pound.
Numerous fatal,life changing and multiple accidents caused by ‘tired’ drivers, there are dozens/hundreds of examples i can think of quite a few off the top of my head where the ‘investigations’ have been done, on one large multiple fatal full double side Motorway closure in the N/w of the country, turns out the driver’s ONLY brake between italy and a fair bit north of B/ham was on the ferry. (I don’t suppose you can include the tired landrover driver ending up on the train tracks eh, as it was only a light vehicle and not a truck so there wasn’t too much damage, apart from the millions reinforcing all road crossings over railway lines 
)
Do you think that’s ok
There is probably plenty of moaning now about one of the new VOSA depots opening in the N/W, what a surprise it’s over 4.5 hrs from the south and eastern ports and the northern ports, not many wagons going to be chained up there for drivers hours offences then
I have known of Owner drivers who run all hours, shoddy maintenence, it isn’t earning a pound/crust it’s downright greed, would you like to have been the artic driver trapped in your cab with the broken legs after a truck wheel came through your windscreen, totally avoidable and just down to greed and poor compliance It happens too frequently wheels coming off .
For the record Pavaroti, i used to be one of the country’s highest earners in what i did, i didn’t have to break the law and had a regularly maintained truck, i could stand the heat but couldn’t be bothered with moany driver’s who couldn’t keep up, i also took Monky’s view that there is more to life than working all hours and money, so i jumped.
I still potter around on the side of the industry and watch and hear the sad O/d’s sabotaging one another’s trucks, stealing diesel etc if that’s the way you want to lead your life to make a pound i’m glad to be out of it
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.
i think muppets like you are ruining it for others . typical scenario driver falls asleep at the wheel and kills a member of your family result you are not a happy chap . however fow the week before this the truck made a couple of grand for the owner whilst the pillock driving it got a couple of quid extra oh and that couple of quid extra will not pay the mortgage whilst you are in prison . second scenario badly maintained truck as you say one of the many rules and regulations is six weekly check to safeguard vehicle safety causes a accident through one of many things that can go wrong they will rightly throw the book at you
you might think you are a hero for driving bent or taking out a defective truck but your boss is the one shafting you not you shafting the system.
i thonk my allegiance is with the guy who stands up to the cowboy boss in the interest of safety rather than with the spineless one who doesnt want to
upset his boss
and yes when i am driving i am usually up on maximum hours and pretty much max weight so i am not scared of a good days work .
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.
Pillock! Complete and utter PILLOCK.
ANDY1961:
pavaroti:
Nothing worse than a grass in this business which has way to many rules and regs, think of the poor small operators trying to earn a pound. If you cant stand the heat just move on, but dont try and ruin it for others.Pillock! Complete and utter PILLOCK.
When I read these types of comments, it always makes me think of this accident.
Apart from the 6 people who died. the bloke was only trying to make a living. 
Various reports suggest, cannabis, a Polish driver driving slowly, high spirits although the four doctors and a musician were asleep according to the sole survivor.
None of which convince me that Michael Hutchinson was fully alert that evening and tiredness played a major part. We have all done it, we shouldn’t condone it… even for a couple of quid