TOMMY BROWNS OLD GUY:
Proof for a Freight Management add from April 68 With a lwb Scania 110 super
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Scania Jacks one ten was an LBS 6X2 not double drive and he had his own 39 ft York wide-spread trailer ready for weights going up from 32 ton to 36 , 38 , 40 or 42 ton , but weights stayed the same .....so the truck was too heavy and was sold , but even the 4x2 LB110s were too heavy at 32 ton and the older shunt units had to load most of the loads , i have been loading for Denmark in BTP and seen Bronco loading 20 ton on his LB76 …and Jack Martin loading 2 ton on a Ford D series ridgid to take back to the yard to be put on top of the 20 ton and be taken away by a LB110 … three tons over weight …unfair competition ?
Unfair competition or maximising your vehicles earnings? I’m sure if you had someone round the corner with a D series at that time of day you’d have done the same?
When i started 25 years ago things had changed drastically, we were running quiet a lot of 17 tonners on distribution work. Browns had an axle bridge installed in the yard and every wagon loaded from the yard had to cross that weighbridge to make sure the axle weights and the gross weight were legal.
Surely this is a practice that has existed in transport right up to the present day. Why do hauliers who provide traction to shipping companies operate 44 tonne units when the majority of Europe run at 40 tonne ?
We must not forget that we are reflecting on a period in road haulage before the “bull****” had taken over and more importance was put upon getting the job done rather than talking about how to do the job (even if that meant topping up with a pallet in the yard).
It is always very difficult with modern attitudes to judge what went on 40 to 50 years ago !!
The funny part was the job had been refused by Greaves and Lamming , who could have done the job LEGAL wid a Volvo F86 and a York 28 ft trailer , but the old School boss at G&L thought too many pallets would be up top (it would have been 14 or 15 down and 7 or 8 up ) , but many years later i was in Browns office when a driver advised that BOTH his axles and also his gross weight was over , but was told by the spotty young planner that it will be OK and because of Browns pay scheme the driver must think he would lose a few pounds if any was taken off the load and of course if caught the driver would take all the blame as in court ,Brown would say the driver has a handbook to never break the law and should not have taken it , but if you ever want a new truck and good paying loads … you better risk it
Were Greaves and Lamming & Browns competitors then ? I don’t remember much about Greaves and Lamming other than seeing the name on DFDS coloured Scania’s
All this lot needs to go into its own ‘Tom Brown’ thread and keep Scrapbook Memories on track!!!
All a bit different to moomooland’s but we had a Western transport in Queensland Aus I drove for them in the mid 60’s and bought one of their R model Macks in 69 and subbied for them till they sold out to Bells. Photo is road train to Peak Downs mine in 60’s. The other photo is what was in the crates
Thought it might be of interest.
Hi Gary maybe I can help I am Peter Betts, a bit late but just found this site, p.betts.2@gmail.com would like to chat about he old days
Peter
Hi thanks for posting this pic, and indeed the whole thread.
Thsi is the company my Dad worked for - he drove the other 141 in the fleet. The driver of this one, sitting in the passenger seat, is Bob Kenrick. This lorry used to do the weekly groupage run between Ribro in Rotterdam & Woodcock Freight in Sheffield. Do you have any other info on this photo?
TOMMY BROWNS OLD GUY:
Huntsman Tioxide Tanker pics, a staple of T H Brown for many many years which DE RIJKE poached for the final few years before the factory closed in 2009.
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Hi, I hear Fred and Terry finished last Friday. That will only leave Alf!!!
Really?? Do you know where they’ve gone to? What about Nick Barker? Not seen or heard out from Nick for ages!
Alf used to work for one of Browns subbies Rob Pennell before Browns took him on, driving some right sheds!!
I was at ici Slough last week and asked, Fred (Barry) has retired and Terry has taken the money and is looking for a job!!! By all accounts since Hoyer have taken over the job has got worse and they were trying to put them onto liquids. Good jobs never last.
TOMMY BROWNS OLD GUY:
Huntsman Tioxide Tanker pics, a staple of T H Brown for many many years which DE RIJKE poached for the final few years before the factory closed in 2009.
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Hi, I hear Fred and Terry finished last Friday. That will only leave Alf!!!
Really?? Do you know where they’ve gone to? What about Nick Barker? Not seen or heard out from Nick for ages!
Alf used to work for one of Browns subbies Rob Pennell before Browns took him on, driving some right sheds!!
I was at ici Slough last week and asked, Fred (Barry) has retired and Terry has taken the money and is looking for a job!!! By all accounts since Hoyer have taken over the job has got worse and they were trying to put them onto liquids. Good jobs never last.
Too true, good jobs can’t get any better, only worse!
Hello moomooland , lovely picture of the leyland Comet guessing i would say that its triumphs at speke , BRS contract . thank you Trevor .
Notice the heater on the rad of that lump of junk? BRS gave me a bus drivers overcoat when I complained about no heater. Love the old snaps but the reality these things were death traps -vacuum brakes for ##s sake!
Hello moomooland , lovely picture of the leyland Comet guessing i would say that its triumphs at speke , BRS contract . thank you Trevor .
Notice the heater on the rad of that lump of junk? BRS gave me a bus drivers overcoat when I complained about no heater. Love the old snaps but the reality these things were death traps -vacuum brakes for ##s sake!
Indeed, not for the faint hearted. A vac. braked vehicle would give some of the bus drivers round these parts a hell of a shock. Those of you who know Dewsbury will know that the three main roads into town are the Wakefield, Leeds, and Halifax Roads, steep downhill. How the hell can these bus drivers be fully wired up when they accelerate a 12 ton + bus DOWN these roads when there’s only Dewsbury to hit at the bottom. They scare the crap out of me, most of them couldn’t spell “brake fade”.
it was a lot more interesting going into dews bury before the new road was built brian . iirc if you had lost it down the hill then the bank door was opposite the junction . i was always very cautious in the vacuum braked clydesdale .
Many years ago a lorry “decided to do it’s own thing” going down the Leeds cutting. It took two weeks to get it out of the Town Hall, structural engineers couldn’t decide whether or not to lorry was supporting the Town Hall.
The way large vehicles come down those hills today…LOADED…bloody terrifies me. One day, it’ll end in disaster.
When I was a lad just learning, the emphasis was take care of the brakes on downhill sections, sure, systems and materials have improved, but with us old school lads, “old habits die hard”.
grumpy old man:
Many years ago a lorry “decided to do it’s own thing” going down the Leeds cutting. It took two weeks to get it out of the Town Hall, structural engineers couldn’t decide whether or not to lorry was supporting the Town Hall.
The way large vehicles come down those hills today…LOADED…bloody terrifies me. One day, it’ll end in disaster.
When I was a lad just learning, the emphasis was take care of the brakes on downhill sections, sure, systems and materials have improved, but with us old school lads, “old habits die hard”.
I agree with you Brian. When I started several lorries only had servo assisted brakes. Nowadays they have inspections and annual testing etc, but the vehicle gross weight are higher, also as you say there is to much reliance on the brakes. Like most of the older drivers,and also my Dads generation as well, we were always told to hold them back on the gears. Only time I didn’t do that was when I was the regular driver on a Commer Maxiload with the TS3 engine.
Cheers Dave.
Are Jake brakes still on the market? I once had one on an ERF (either 290 or 350 ■■■■■■■■ I can’t remember) what I do remember is that it was a great bit of kit, in our hilly area dropping into Dewsbury it could control 38 ton of tanker.
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Are Jake brakes still on the market? I once had one on an ERF (either 290 or 350 ■■■■■■■■ I can’t remember) what I do remember is that it was a great bit of kit, in our hilly area dropping into Dewsbury it could control 38 ton of tanker.
I think that noise pollution stopped them, I know that one of our drivers used to complain that when he retired he got woken up each morning by a local haulier using the Jake on the hill near his house! I never had or used one so cannot comment…
I loved Mr Jacob’s brake on the 335 ■■■■■■■■ they could really scare old ladies between houses!
They were so prevalent in the USA that there were signs on the outskirts of towns saying, “No Jake” because residents had complained so much about the noise.
It would make trouble for the Exhaust valves if it was not adjusted properly and regulary . I only saw them on ■■■■■■■ , and never had any bother with them , some installations were better than others ( only my opinion ) Geoff
I never had or used one so cannot comment…