Scania R440-Advice Please?

I only noticed 2 pedals, though I only got about 5 mins to look in it at the end of work. Anyone know what one of these things would cost new? We had a Scania 8 wheeler last year and workshop reckoned anything above base model was way too expensive when compared to Volvo (bloody things) and Daf

On the old 3 pedal opticruise, the dealer can change what gear is selected for moving off from standstill, it needs to be 3rd but some of them are programmed for 2nd or 1st gear which is useless.

If it’s the new 2 pedal, I presume that they can still re-programme what gear is selected when moving off as well. When you first start the engine, revs are limited for a about 10 seconds to prevent engine wear.

A new 6x2 topline r500 v8 was £80k four years ago. I would say the same spec motor would be 100k plus nowadays and i’d say an r730 would be 110k plus.

They do have torque limiters in them as well so you can’t hammer them.

Silver_Surfer:
On the old 3 pedal opticruise, the dealer can change what gear is selected for moving off from standstill, it needs to be 3rd but some of them are programmed for 2nd or 1st gear which is useless.

If it’s the new 2 pedal, I presume that they can still re-programme what gear is selected when moving off as well. When you first start the engine, revs are limited for a about 10 seconds to prevent engine wear.

A new 6x2 topline r500 v8 was £80k four years ago. I would say the same spec motor would be 100k plus nowadays and i’d say an r730 would be 110k plus.

They do have torque limiters in them as well so you can’t hammer them.

On the 3 pedal one u can do that yrself (takes about 2 seconds if u can remember the sequence),if i have our p cabbed 420 for wotever reason, the first thing i do is see what gear its set in then change it to 4th, certain runs are very ‘light’…normally reset to 2nd when it goes for the 6 weeker…dunno about the 2 pedal but i would guess it can be reset,in the same way as the 3’s. 100k :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: think how much megaspace i could have for that sorta dough :laughing: :laughing:

if you look up sluggish in the dictionary it just says “a phrase first coined by scania drivers” Lol

the only advice i can give is a gallon of petrol, a rag, a match and run like ■■■■ :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Oooohh Shuttlespanker…u are awful…but F.A.F :laughing: :laughing:

shuttlespanker:
the only advice i can give is a gallon of petrol, a rag, a match and run like [zb] :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

a gallon of petrol?? are you nuts spanky, a litre would sufice, a scania is worth more after you’ve torched it, as the price of scrap metal is on the up so long as you dont tell the scrap merchant it used to be a scanny :exclamation:

We had a p340 roll on off on hire a while back with the three pedal set up just dumped in the yard with no explination and i must admit i hated it but maybe it was not knowing how to get the best of it.
It did seem to reduce power in the lower gears and made some weird changes like second to sixth fully loaded.
Does anyone know what the ah position on the stalk does compared to the a position.

kr79:
We had a p340 roll on off on hire a while back with the three pedal set up just dumped in the yard with no explination and i must admit i hated it but maybe it was not knowing how to get the best of it.
It did seem to reduce power in the lower gears and made some weird changes like second to sixth fully loaded.
Does anyone know what the ah position on the stalk does compared to the a position.

a = agonizing

ah = agonizingly helpless,

When parked up and with ignition running knock the stalk up so it is in 4AH, then turn back to neutral, this should set the starting gear at 4th, when loaded either knock it down to 3rdAH or 2ndAH and turn back to neutral depending on the weight being carried. Youll know if this has been successful because when you set it there will be an audible beep and it will say 4th start etc on the dash. This will help but all Scanias need to think about moving before anything happens

The ah position is supposedly a hill hold option, it basically holds the gear for longer, another 200-300 revs. Also works well if your fully freighted.

Cruise Control:

kr79:
We had a p340 roll on off on hire a while back with the three pedal set up just dumped in the yard with no explination and i must admit i hated it but maybe it was not knowing how to get the best of it.
It did seem to reduce power in the lower gears and made some weird changes like second to sixth fully loaded.
Does anyone know what the ah position on the stalk does compared to the a position.

a = agonizing

ah = agonizingly helpless,

About right im a big scania fan but opticruise would test a saint

They are sluggish pulling away :wink:
top gear is overdrive and will only get selected if cruising at limited speed on a flat or descending road/motorway…the advice on the manual when fully loaded is to maintain and hold 11th gear,try and gradients and change gear accordingly to maintain momentum and use the overdrive on the flat and descending.

bikemonkey knows his stuff!

It will only select 12th gear if you take your foot off the gas slightly, when cruising on the flat. If you keep your foot to the floor it will stay in 11th.

AH allows for faster changes, but we’re not talking much, so if you want a quicker getaway, do it manually.

Once you’ve started moving, probably in 3rd, push the right hand stalk down to select a lower gear. This is also a good trick when traveling fast and approaching a roundabout. And of course you can use it to override the auto when climbing hills. Push the stalk down (away from you) once or twice and select one or two gears lower, say from 10th to 8th.

Whatever you do, it will definitely always seem to be slow off the line. It’s what makes autos last longer than the clutches between engines and manual gearboxes.

The new Scania’s don’t have a three pedal arrangement anymore…

AH is auto hill-hold…hangs on to the selected gear a tad longer (when going up hill). Most of our rigids have had this disabled cuz drivers were using them in MA and tear-arsing about. Our P420 selects 12th no problem at all and is limited to 54mph…4th to 12th,straight through without the need to ease off whereas the rental would sit at the top of the green band and would not find top no matter what until i manually changed it. In my opinion,4th is a better ‘set off’ gear but obviously a quick knock down to select 3rd (when loaded) saves wear n tear but it also helps when in auto n slowing down as it wont make as many erratic down changes from 6th to 3rd or 5th to 2nd etc as it is set to (in this case) 4th, so will fall no lower than the gear that has been pre-selected as the start gear. Confused?? Me too,as to why they gave a green light to such a ■■■■ box!! :smiley: Oh, but wait…our brand new auto Dafs are also reported to having problems…apparently they are showing ‘clutch overload’ when going uphill when loaded, with 1 driver having to reverse back down to the bottom and getting a run-up :laughing:

kr79:

Cruise Control:

kr79:
We had a p340 roll on off on hire a while back with the three pedal set up just dumped in the yard with no explination and i must admit i hated it but maybe it was not knowing how to get the best of it.
It did seem to reduce power in the lower gears and made some weird changes like second to sixth fully loaded.
Does anyone know what the ah position on the stalk does compared to the a position.

a = agonizing

ah = agonizingly helpless,

About right im a big scania fan but opticruise would test a saint

Agreed, would’ve had a manual if they offered 4 over 4 but they changed to 3 over 3 some time ago for manual’s which I didn’t want to get used to. I’m sure the new 2 pedal opticruise is a vast improvement over the old 3 pedal version. As with all things they ain’t so bad when they’re new but when they are 4 years old…

brilliant topic thanks guys , i think i’m getting a 3pedal version next, matter of fact i know it will be as it’ll be a 07/57 plate & these posts are a great help , the only thing i think i’ll get cought otu is the clutch pedal, i’ve been on I-shift the last 4 years , i can see me stalling at a lot of roundabouts :laughing:

Just remember you need to press the clutch pedal if you want to stop or you will be in to the back of whatever is in front of you. :confused:

The one thing that disturbs me from reading this thread is that nobody is happy pulling away in 1st gear, I haven’t driven the new 2 pedal Opticruise, had a brief go in the older one and hated it, but surely 1st gear should be the start off gear in any vehicle?

I too used to pull away in the highest gear possible, when empty high range/highsplit crawler in a 13spd Fuller would see you beat most cars away from the lights, then I saw some data from Renault showing the clutch temperature differences from pulling off in 1st as opposed to higher gears, there can be hundreds of degrees centigrade difference and heat is a major contribution to premature clutch wear, after that I used to use 1st and as soon as it was rolling I’d jump up through the box, I still use 1st low now in my 18spd Fuller, it doesn’t make a lot of difference in the time it takes me to hit my cruising speed and it’s far more sympathetic to my driveline, I suppose it’s a little different for you blokes, if you creep away from lights or in a queue of traffic then you’ll have a bunch of cars jump in front of you as soon as there’s the slightest bit of empty road.

EastAnglianTrucker:
bikemonkey knows his stuff!

It will only select 12th gear if you take your foot off the gas slightly, when cruising on the flat. If you keep your foot to the floor it will stay in 11th.

AH allows for faster changes, but we’re not talking much, so if you want a quicker getaway, do it manually.

Once you’ve started moving, probably in 3rd, push the right hand stalk down to select a lower gear. This is also a good trick when traveling fast and approaching a roundabout. And of course you can use it to override the auto when climbing hills. Push the stalk down (away from you) once or twice and select one or two gears lower, say from 10th to 8th.

Whatever you do, it will definitely always seem to be slow off the line. It’s what makes autos last longer than the clutches between engines and manual gearboxes.

The new Scania’s don’t have a three pedal arrangement anymore…

well are new 10 reg g-cabs do have 3 pedals, maybe there old stock

i was told by a scania rep that the 3 pedal setup was still offered as an option