Mark Erlite:
Would Union negotiated salary of £37000 per year change anybody’s thinking
Wouldn’t change my thinking, I’ll break that this year without any union involvement.
What hours would you work for that Cof per week,days worked and what start and finish times
Various, no set start and finish times, I mostly please my self in that regard as long as the work gets done.
You can pick and choose your hours
Pretty much. I get told my loading time and get told my delivery time, might be two or three days between those two things, and as long as I get the load on and the delivery off as close as possible to those times I can choose what time I start, what time I finish and what hours I do each day.
I got a phone call today with my run for next week and what time I am due to load in Walsall, the boss then asked what time I would be starting so he could mark it on the rota. I also know my delivery time in Hamburg, I will reload there and make my way back home and the first time the boss will know my start and finish times each day and hours worked will be when he sees my time sheet next Monday.
There are some days when he says start at 07:00, 10:00, 11:00 or some other time for instance but those are not very frequent and they will mainly be UK only days which usually involve working for about 6 hours at most but getting paid for 9.5.
Mark Erlite:
Would Union negotiated salary of £37000 per year change anybody’s thinking
Wouldn’t change my thinking, I’ll break that this year without any union involvement.
What hours would you work for that Cof per week,days worked and what start and finish times
Various, no set start and finish times, I mostly please my self in that regard as long as the work gets done.
You can pick and choose your hours
Pretty much. I get told my loading time and get told my delivery time, might be two or three days between those two things, and as long as I get the load on and the delivery off as close as possible to those times I can choose what time I start, what time I finish and what hours I do each day.
I got a phone call today with my run for next week and what time I am due to load in Walsall, the boss then asked what time I would be starting so he could mark it on the rota. I also know my delivery time in Hamburg, I will reload there and make my way back home and the first time the boss will know my start and finish times each day and hours worked will be when he sees my time sheet next Monday.
Some but by my choice not forced to and I like working Sundays, unless there is football on I want to watch or listen to, so often ask if there is anything going. Saturday’s would normally be just running in from being parked in Belgium Friday night so work 4 or 5 hours and get paid for 9.5. We often get a Monday off after that, with pay, so we can meet our weekly rest requirements, or just do a shift from say 11:00 - 18:00 but get paid for 9.5 hours.
I am working this Sunday by choice, I asked if I could because it is double time for Sunday and double time and a day off in lieu for Monday so easy money for just coupling to a trailer and then driving, probably with plenty of break while it is loaded. Plus I have been at home since 10:30 on Thursday morning after finishing work that day at 10:00.
Thursday was a perfect example of choosing what hours I worked. I started at 02:45 after a daily rest of around 10 hours but that was my choice so I could get home early and have the rest of the day to myself. I could have started earlier, after 9 hours rest, or I could have started at 08:00, 09:00 or whenever. I chose the start time to suit me and it will mean I have had the best part of 3 days of before going into work on Sunday.
Why the questions about working times, etc.? In the days when the unions had all this power, truck drivers still got into 3 figure hour totals, and still spent all week away, and still worked weekends, and still worked unsociable hours… and still got treated like crap by unionised shops, and still got lower overall basic salaries.
In fact, things have improved for drivers since unions got smashed. Docks are easier going, factories are easier going… Of course, RDCs are crap, but unless you work there you will always be treated like scum, and I imagine the RDCs are probably union shops.
BigJon:
Would non union negotiated pay of $55000 change anyone’s mind ?
I think you should have got the union in as that works out at around £35,500.
Yehbut he forgot to mention the benefits package that comes on top…
Then there is the scenery.
Wasn’t really trying to get into a mine better than yours argument,
for a start I’ve no idea what standard of living it would bring in Canada compared to the UK, even in the UK that sort of wages would mean a different standard of living if you were in the Home Counties or somewhere like the Norfolk or Cornwall.
it was just mean’t as a jokey remark.
Union or not if it’s a good deal that great, and long may it continue.
BigJon:
Would non union negotiated pay of $55000 change anyone’s mind ?
I think you should have got the union in as that works out at around £35,500.
Yehbut he forgot to mention the benefits package that comes on top…
Then there is the scenery.
Wasn’t really trying to get into a mine better than yours argument,
for a start I’ve no idea what standard of living it would bring in Canada compared to the UK, even in the UK that sort of wages would mean a different standard of living if you were in the Home Counties or somewhere like the Norfolk or Cornwall.
it was just mean’t as a jokey remark.
Union or not if it’s a good deal that great, and long may it continue.
Dang. I was bored and thought we could get another argument going. Oh well, guess I’ll just have to take SWMBO out shopping.
I’m back to work on Tuesday so you lot can have some peace from me then.
bobthedog:
I agree, Muckles. There is a company near where I used to live that makes all the parts for a certain extremely well known, American rifle. They send all these parts to the manufacturer in the US and they assemble them and sell them as American made. The man who machines the receivers is a friend of mine, and he explained that they would be unlikely to sell a single unit if it were known they were made in the UK, and the funny thing is that these rifles are banned in the UK…
As for curryfarts first, second… forty eighth… car. Well whoopee doo… You could afford a Jag. Personally, I am perfectly satisfied with the size of my bits and need nothing to make them feel bigger. Your choice of cars displays a pretentiousness and general ego problem, but we kind of knew that. Just so you know, the Honda ACCORD, and the Triumph ACCLAIM…
Yes, older british cars were sound. The Dolomite Sprint was fabulous. The Mini was a great car. The Rover P6 was awesome… But the Acclaim was junk, the Metro was crap and the Rover 2 series was just an Acclaim under a different grille. And the car maker strikes were largely responsible for the demise of the industry because the costs had to be cut somewhere and it was the end product where it had to be done because the workers would call a strike if a lightbulb blew in the toilet.
It is a pity, too. If the unions had not tried their best to destroy industry then there would be a place for them today, and now that the transport industry is suffering so badly, they may have been able to help. Instead, they concern themselves with recruitment and publicity and are toothless tigers.
So after all that we agree that Jap cars are zb as proved by the fact that the Honda Accord and the Triumph Acclaim are the same cars with different badges.But it would have been better if they’d developed that 16 valve Sprint engine into a 32 valve 4 Litre V8 for a new Stag and big saloon instead making the Rover SD1.But they did’nt,because they preferred to give that sector of the market to the Germans and throw what was left of our industry to the orientals instead,rather than pay the British workers the same money as the Germans were getting,after we’d defeated the zb’s in a war which we had to pay for.
BigJon:
Would non union negotiated pay of $55000 change anyone’s mind ?
I think you should have got the union in as that works out at around £35,500.
Yehbut he forgot to mention the benefits package that comes on top…
Then there is the scenery.
Wasn’t really trying to get into a mine better than yours argument,
for a start I’ve no idea what standard of living it would bring in Canada compared to the UK, even in the UK that sort of wages would mean a different standard of living if you were in the Home Counties or somewhere like the Norfolk or Cornwall.
it was just mean’t as a jokey remark.
Union or not if it’s a good deal that great, and long may it continue.
Dang. I was bored and thought we could get another argument going. Oh well, guess I’ll just have to take SWMBO out shopping.
I’m back to work on Tuesday so you lot can have some peace from me then.
Sorry to dissapoint,
But many pages back in this thread I reaslised that you were pretty much set in your ways when it came to your views on Unions and nothing me or anybody else says would change it.
So enjoy the shopping trip, and I wish you and your family a happy, healthy and wealthy 2011.
I screwed up. When we got to the shops, they were all closed. I didn’t realise all the shops closed on New years Day. I blame the unions. We went to the pub instead so maybe it wasn’t such a screw up after all.
Thankyou for your good wishes, may I wish you and everyone else here a very prosperous 2011 and hope you all get whatever you aim for. Try not to aim at cyclists though.
As we all have an opinion here. Mine haven’t changed. Unions are brilliant if you are a shop steward, convenor or president of one. After all the membership pay you to go off on jollies, argue that ■■■■■■■■ are square and give you the pick of the jobs. Meanwhile the members are still treated like ■■■■, but they are offered free union solicitors, exactly the same as you would get if you went to court to defend yourself.
A union solicitor cannot fight a speeding fine by camera. Why else would you need to join a union?
Piston broke:
Hmm…this topic has the potential to be slightly interesting and very volatile - not to mention all the personal comments that will inevitably arrive!!
This is ONLY my opinion and I speak for no-one else nor do I expect anyone to agree…
If you have to work with the people then do exactly that, no more. No friends, no christmas cards, no wiping of bums nor sharing of ■■■■. Be polite and civil, help them if its required because it will make everyone’s life easier and perhaps, in time, this will all fade into the dim and distant past and worklife will be normal again.
On the other hand, I think that your opening words (scab, etc…) mean that your mind is already made up… I really do not like a bad atmosphere in the workplace, nor anwhere else for that matter, and someone has to be the first to try, I repeat TRY and put the situation behind them.
2 things spring to mind…
Your bosses are trying to divide and conquer…(and succeeding!!)
and
Life is FAR too short…
Happy New Year to you. I sincerely hope it doesn’t escalate…
As outrageous as scabbing can undoubtably be, yes,I agree with piston broke. You’re along time dead. Don’t set fire to fury
No, the Honda engine was far superior. On this, with you being a “Buy British” nut regardless of whether or not it is crap speaks vloumes, so no, I do not agree with you.
The only people you can hold responsible for the car manufacturers demise in the UK is the union and the workers. You said the BMW was not a good car, yet BMW are still in business, and they are the sole reason that any Brit designs are still being used to make any real volume of cars.
The unions made business very difficult, and ultimately impossible.
No, the Honda engine was far superior. On this, with you being a “Buy British” nut regardless of whether or not it is crap speaks vloumes, so no, I do not agree with you.
The only people you can hold responsible for the car manufacturers demise in the UK is the union and the workers. You said the BMW was not a good car, yet BMW are still in business, and they are the sole reason that any Brit designs are still being used to make any real volume of cars.
The unions made business very difficult, and ultimately impossible.
So are you now saying that the Triumph Acclaim did’nt have a Honda engine and that the Dolomite Sprint was’nt a better car than the Acclaim .The British car workers just made whatever the designers and management instructed them to make and in a comparison between performance and value for money BMW were never (until relatively recently) competitive with the British made opposition.Which is why Jaguar still exists,unlike all of the other manufacturers in the Jaguar/Rover/Triumph division of the old Leyland Cars.Although having said that a new Triumph saloon and a new Stag with that 32 valve 4.0 Litre V8 would probably have been enough to keep Triumph in business as well which is better than what actually proved to be the case by Rover and Triumph building badge engineered oriental zb cars.
