Fergie47:
jsutherland:
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anorak:jsutherland:
I’m just wondering when it was realised that an aerodynamic designed cab would bring fuel consumption benefits.
Johnny
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JohnnyHere you go Herr Sutherland, a couple of “Streamliners”, no idea of the year, but older than you think…slippery suckers I would imagine plus the old Williem looks like she’d cut through the air too, unlike the brick at the bottom…
Thanks Mr Fergie.
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Johnny
pv83:
Fergie47:
pv83:
Fergie47:
Bit bias as I had one of these, great truck, especially after a Big J…You never told me that Senior, you’ve only mentioned the F88 and F10/12… must have been quite a difference after swapping that Big J for this!
Early years ( in Europe) Big J… F86…LB76. .F88…it had a manual splitter, ie two gear levers…that’d have thrown you Whips, you can barely manage one
I was never a man to put a challenge down mate
Never liked the ZF 16-speed synchro except in DAF 95s. DAF was the only manufacturer who seemed to install it well. The 95XF was even slicker, but I preferred the old 95. Mercedes clearly hated their fellow Deutchland gearbox-makers with a vengeance because all their installations seemed to be miserable. Give me a non-synchro Fuller any day! Robert
Never liked the ZF 16-speed synchro except in DAF 95s. DAF was the only manufacturer who seemed to install it well. The 95XF was even slicker, but I preferred the old 95. Mercedes clearly hated their fellow Deutchland gearbox-makers with a vengeance because all their installations seemed to be miserable. Give me a non-synchro Fuller any day! Robert
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You’re spot on about that combo Robert, can’t beat a DAF with a ZF 'box 
Must admit I was quite chuffed about the same 'box that MAN used in the F2000 series with that different shift pattern, was even better in my humble opinion… later on when the TGA series came out they had a thing called easy shift or comfort shift, worked a bit like with the old crash 'boxes, you only used the clutch pedal when setting off.
I’d rather like the Merc 'box actually (and on that bombshell…), this being a fully auto one, have driven the semi auto one too and hated it, same as with the Scanny version, took ages to shift…
pv83:
Never liked the ZF 16-speed synchro except in DAF 95s. DAF was the only manufacturer who seemed to install it well. The 95XF was even slicker, but I preferred the old 95. Mercedes clearly hated their fellow Deutchland gearbox-makers with a vengeance because all their installations seemed to be miserable. Give me a non-synchro Fuller any day! Robert
You’re spot on about that combo Robert, can’t beat a DAF with a ZF 'box
Must admit I was quite chuffed about the same 'box that MAN used in the F2000 series with that different shift pattern, was even better in my humble opinion… later on when the TGA series came out they had a thing called easy shift or comfort shift, worked a bit like with the old crash 'boxes, you only used the clutch pedal when setting off.
I’d rather like the Merc 'box actually (and on that bombshell…), this being a fully auto one, have driven the semi auto one too and hated it, same as with the Scanny version, took ages to shift…
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I too liked the version MAN used but I didn’t like the Comfort-shift itself because if you chose to use the clutch instead of the switch it bleeped at you - well it did in the ERF ECT version anyway! The Easy-Shift you mention, was a gearshift-by-wire arrangement - just a switch really with four-over-four positions. I understand it came from bus technology but worked for lorries configured with no room for a conventional gearshift. The ones I used were in DAF 95 drawbar outfits with day cabs + roof-mounted pods. The gear-shift was as rubbish as the roof-mounted pods, I can assure you! Robert
pv83:
A ZF box? may as well have one made out of cheese, not a patch on Mr Fullers products! Patrick the motor you drive now is it fitted with a D-N-R switch instead of a gear lever? Cheer’s Pete
Doesn’t say owt Pete, nor is it a switch… now that’s kraut engineering for ya
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Is that picture from your play station? Dear me I thought you were one above the “point and press” brigade! You’d better get on the other forum asking which is the best sat nav to buy, Anon 1
Fergie47:
I think John (Saviem) had one in his collection…perhaps Pierre will put me right… :
Afternoon Dave,
I know John had a Vabis LB76, I never saw it but i think it was a rough one but in one piece, I may have been a French or a Belgium motor?
Please could you keep an eye on what Whips is posting on here, have you seen that disgusting picture of the interior of that Messerschmitt he drives with that funny looking gear stick? It looks like something from the early learning centre!
To come back to the gearbox discussion, I had the opportunity to use many kinds. The widespread ZF 16-speed, of course, fitted standard by many truck manufacturers; either with a “double H” pattern, or a switch. Efficient but needed using clutch pedal too often, and the stick could be rather firm to move.
The Mercedes Powershift of the first generation. Didn’t like it much; one still had to use the clutch pedal.
Volvo 12 and 16 speed boxes; Scania 10 speed.
Fuller 12 speed on Iveco TurboStar 380 and 480; certainly the best boxes coupled to the best engines of their generation!
Hiya,
I drove a Scania 80 around the time of their introduction to the UK market,
this would be about 1967 but can’t remember what make type of gearbox
it would have had, all I remember it was rubbish at 32 tons gross, that was
the whole motor and changed jobs rather than drive it.
thanks harry, long retired.
harry_gill:
Hiya,
I drove a Scania 80 around the time of their introduction to the UK market,
this would be about 1967 but can’t remember what make type of gearbox
it would have had, all I remember it was rubbish at 32 tons gross, that was
the whole motor and changed jobs rather than drive it.
thanks harry, long retired.
Scania’s own box Harry…I bought one of those 80’s, utter rubbish, put me off Scania, became a Volvo man instead.
Fergie47:
harry_gill:
Hiya,
I drove a Scania 80 around the time of their introduction to the UK market,
this would be about 1967 but can’t remember what make type of gearbox
it would have had, all I remember it was rubbish at 32 tons gross, that was
the whole motor and changed jobs rather than drive it.
thanks harry, long retired.Scania’s own box Harry…I bought one of those 80’s, utter rubbish, put me off Scania, became a Volvo man instead.
Hiya,
Thanks for that could your memory stretch to how many gears they had
and in what format my memory doesn’t work all that well, but it doe’s
work well enough to remember the darned things were crap I couldn’t
escape from the thing quick enough.
thanks harry, long retired.
harry_gill:
Scania’s own box Harry…I bought one of those 80’s, utter rubbish, put me off Scania, became a Volvo man instead.
Hiya,
Thanks for that could your memory stretch to how many gears they had
and in what format my memory doesn’t work all that well, but it doe’s
work well enough to remember the darned things were crap I couldn’t
escape from the thing quick enough.
thanks harry, long retired.
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Got me thinking now Harry, …A 5 speed with splitter and crawler, it was 45 years ago, hopefully someone with a better memory than us two may remember. …
pv83:
MaggieD:
Froggy55:
The first is registered in France. Very few of these Scania (LB 76?) were sold in France, at a time when most French transporters rather trusted French trucks, maybe mainly because of the servicing network?Hi Froggy55,
Here’s another French one.
Regards
RichardEy up mate, you’re alright?
Looks rather “crusty” around the edges doesn’t it?
Hi Patrick,
We are all fine thanks,Angie sends her love x.
Hi Dave,
Hope you and the lovely Liz are well, great pics,that one of inside your garage is that the machine that Liz attaches to Patricks orifices when he visits and has to be calmed down ?
Regards
Richard
pete smith:
Fergie47:
I think John (Saviem) had one in his collection…perhaps Pierre will put me right… :Afternoon Dave,
I know John had a Vabis LB76, I never saw it but i think it was a rough one but in one piece, I may have been a French or a Belgium motor?
Please could you keep an eye on what Whips is posting on here, have you seen that disgusting picture of the interior of that Messerschmitt he drives with that funny looking gear stick? It looks like something from the early learning centre!
Hi Pete,
Hope you and Mrs Smith are well,I did sell this to someone in the midlands in this condition,but I think his name was Longdon so don’t believe it was John I have never seen it restored at any rally.
Regards
Richard
MaggieD:
pete smith:
Fergie47:
I think John (Saviem) had one in his collection…perhaps Pierre will put me right… :Afternoon Dave,
I know John had a Vabis LB76, I never saw it but i think it was a rough one but in one piece, I may have been a French or a Belgium motor?
Please could you keep an eye on what Whips is posting on here, have you seen that disgusting picture of the interior of that Messerschmitt he drives with that funny looking gear stick? It looks like something from the early learning centre!Hi Pete,
Hope you and Mrs Smith are well,I did sell this to someone in the midlands in this condition,but I think his name was Longdon so don’t believe it was John I have never seen it restored at any rally.Regards
Richard
Good Afternoon Richard,
I hope you and Mrs Maggis D are ok, I think John sold that Vabis a while ago, think the same time as the Scarab, Cheer’s Pete
MaggieD:
Hi Dave,Hope you and the lovely Liz are well, great pics,that one of inside your garage is that the machine that Liz attaches to Patricks orifices when he visits and has to be calmed down ?
Regards
Richard0
Hi Richard…you’re guess is very close, as you know Whippersnaps is still not fully house trained and is a bed wetter…that device is for extracting excess urine before he gets tucked up in bed, usually about 10 litres on a good night…If you look closely at the second photo I think it was set at 15 litres the last time he stayed…I belive, and I await conformation, that Herr Sutherland has a simular device in his garage too.
Love to Angie ■■.
Fergie47:
MaggieD:
Hi Dave,Hope you and the lovely Liz are well, great pics,that one of inside your garage is that the machine that Liz attaches to Patricks orifices when he visits and has to be calmed down ?
Regards
Richard0
Hi Richard…you’re guess is very close, as you know Whippersnaps is still not fully house trained and is a bed wetter…that device is for extracting excess urine before he gets tucked up in bed, usually about 10 litres on a good night…If you look closely at the second photo I think it was set at 15 litres the last time he stayed…I belive, and I await conformation, that Herr Sutherland has a simular device in his garage too.
Love to Angie ■■.
So the guttering around the bed never worked Dave? 
pete smith:
So the guttering around the bed never worked Dave?
Nope Pierre, even tilting the bed up at 65 degrees…
Hence the Bloggs “Urine Extractor MK1”…its been fairly successful so far, but I’m going to buy a small paddling pool (as a back up ) for him next time he stays, with a bilge pump attachment, in case he fills it up…pump it directly in to the fosse septic…
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anorak:jsutherland:
I’m just wondering when it was realised that an aerodynamic designed cab would bring fuel consumption benefits.
JohnnyJohnny
Vehicles had “streamlined” styling in the 1930s. By the mid 1960s, however, everything was square and sharp-edged, so fashion definitely took precedence over economics then. In answer to the question, I would cite the oil crisis of 1973 as the turning point. By the mid 1970s, roof deflectors were on top of cabs. In 1980, both Leyland and Scania launched new cabs with full air kits available, ex-factory. I still reckon an Atki Borderer, with a suitable fairing above the cab, would beat anything current in the wind tunnel.
Herewith a scan of Airshield from 1980…with a factory/outlet in France as well.
Note continental test (3rd scan) with two of G.Snel Volvo’s with and without.
