Sat nav with a capital "T"

the nodding donkey:
*pedant mode on *

Unless Raymundo is a Pilot, and guides a ship in or out of a harbour or across a dangerous transit, he is not really piloting the ship.

If you are going to be a pedant than you need to be correct.

Pilot means to “Steer” so piloting a boat across the sea would be correct use of the language, you could even say you were piloting your truck when you were referring to actively driving it, but then you would be misusing the language if you said you were a trucks pilot.

and where’s ‘Immigrant’ gone - I’m missing him.
thank you please

Bluey Circles:
and where’s ‘Immigrant’ gone - I’m missing him.
thank you please

Think you might be in a minority there

m1cks:

Bluey Circles:
and where’s ‘Immigrant’ gone - I’m missing him.
thank you please

Think you might be in a minority there

probably - LOL

Bking:
So why no signal when your at sea or on a plane.

Are you deliberately trying to prove you’re even more stupid?

You get signal at sea if you’re stood on deck. If you can stand outside a plane you’d get one there as well. Radio signals tend not to travel too well through solid metal. The ships and planes themselves don’t have a problem because they’ve got external GPS antennas.

How come these “satellites” never need maintenance,how come they never get struck by micro meteors,how come their batteries never fail(and before you give me some crap about solar panels if they are in geosynchronous orbit they must be in the dark half the time)How do they put them in orbit,these things dont have engines and the “shuttle” only goes up to 400 miles,How do they maintain a none decaying orbit without engines not just over weeks but 20 years.Why does your phone have to be within 10 km of a cell mast to have an operational signal yet these little “wonders” can transmit over thousands of kilometers at less than one kilowatt to the same device.Cell masts transmit at 100 times this power(look at the cables that power them)yet only have a range of 10km.Why would the American military provide all this for "free."Why is their no “sat nav” signal in the Sahara,Gobi or Atacama deserts.Why can you have 2 different devices in the same truck giving different speeds if they are “accurate” to 1 meter.Both working off the same satellites or maybe different cell net providers towers?Why does Google earth turn into a CGI image above a set height.If its a view from a “satellite” why cant it be a picture.

Jesus ■■■■■■■ christ there’s some monumental stupid there.

Deep breath…

They don’t need maintenance because they’re disposible. They get replaced when they fail. Whilst some are in the dark, not all are in the dark at the same time and as long as at least two and ideally three are above the radio horizon then GPS continues to work. They get put in orbit by all kinds of space vehicles, not just the Shuttle. They have small engines on them to keep them in position.

In regards to the radio signal, I have confirmed contacts on HF to Argentina, 7500 miles away, with just 1 watt. The noise floor at VHF and above is far lower than at HF so you can do it with an even weaker signal as you’ve not got at least -120dBm of noise to get through. Cell masts have a far greater range than 10km - my friend is sending internet access from one tower at Octon where Orange has their gear on to another tower at Caistor for his trunk radio system and that is linking to a tower at Sheffield 53 miles away using 5Ghz for a distance of and far less power than Orange. What doesn’t have a far greater range than 10km is the ■■■■■■■ mobile phone you’re using because if it did you’d not be able to make calls due to the power levels meaning the RF power density when you have it next to your head would cause you injury.

The American military provide it for free because at the end of the day someone would crack it and its one of those things that is in the interest of everyone, the same as the internet which was started by DARPA. There are Satnav signals in the Sahara and Gobi deserts.

You have devices giving two different speeds precisely because their accuracy is to 1 metre. If it was accurate to a millimeter they’d read the same.

Google images doesn’t change to CGI above a set height, it changes to it BELOW a set height because they use it to show hi-res 3D images of specific buildings and other detail - something which they’ve been doing for ages.

Are you going for dumbest person on trucknet award?

Edit: Just read your follow up dumbass post.

VHF and above signals are line of sight and do not travel well through buildings. If the position of the GPS satellites are such that there is a solid object like buildings or mountains or even the body of a plane or the hull of a ship between you and the satellites then you don’t get a signal from them. There are only 24 active satellites at any one time placed in 6 orbital planes 60 degrees apart hence you can get areas such as city centres where driving around the buildings can block the signals without them needing to be 26000km high given the 60 degree spacing. I’ll add basic geometry to the list of things you don’t know anything about.

When a ship nears a port it has to slow down to allow a local pilot to board from the pilot boat.There were boats and still are in preservation called Bristol Pilot Cutters.I crewed on yachts 20 years ago and used a sat nav type device it gave the boat position by Lat. and Longitude and recorded our speed over the ground.

Wowsers, Bking really is a bit of a nut job isn’t he. Seems to be the type that believes every single conspiracy theory he reads. There’s one defining trait of conspiracy theorists, they’re extremely gullible while accusing everyone who doesn’t agree with them of the same

www8.garmin.com/aboutGPS/

All your questions answered, by experts in the field…

What you mean is Bking knows nothing about sat navs and hes a numpty.

Colin_scottish:
What you mean is Bking knows nothing about sat navs and hes a numpty.

Me? I wouldn’t say that - not so politely anyway!

scaniason:

Colin_scottish:
What you mean is Bking knows nothing about sat navs and hes a numpty.

Me? I wouldn’t say that - not so politely anyway!

No just the feeling i got from all that posted on this hes a ■■■■ and talks outbof his arse.

Just a little technical input…
Our satellites are planned to last 12 years, the batteries are charged by solar wings, when in the dark they use battery power to keep going. And the battery is a big barsteward too…
There is enough fuel onboard (68kg) to keep them in the correct orbit, once no longer needed they are either sent into a “graveyard” orbit or moved closer to earth where the orbit decays and they break up over the Pacific ocean.
But, there are communication satellites orbiting earth with no fuel onboard that are still working after 30+ years. (no fuel so unable to move them)
Any more questions?
Cheers
Paul

sonflowerinwales:
Just a little technical input…
Our satellites are planned to last 12 years, the batteries are charged by solar wings, when in the dark they use battery power to keep going. And the battery is a big barsteward too…
There is enough fuel onboard (68kg) to keep them in the correct orbit, once no longer needed they are either sent into a “graveyard” orbit or moved closer to earth where the orbit decays and they break up over the Pacific ocean.
But, there are communication satellites orbiting earth with no fuel onboard that are still working after 30+ years. (no fuel so unable to move them)
Any more questions?
Cheers
Paul

I thought most satellites and probes use mini nuclear power packs, wonderful little generators, can deliver 100+ watts for 40 or 50 years (maybe more)

Bking:
How come these “satellites” never need maintenance,how come they never get struck by micro meteors,how come their batteries never fail(and before you give me some crap about solar panels if they are in geosynchronous orbit they must be in the dark half the time)How do they put them in orbit,these things dont have engines and the “shuttle” only goes up to 400 miles,How do they maintain a none decaying orbit without engines not just over weeks but 20 years.

Think of something in orbit as always falling but never getting any closer to the earth. Because as it travels forward, gravity pulls it towards earth at the same rate as the curvature of the earth (the earth isnt flat really) moves away from it. Arthur C Clarke derived the geostationary, or “Clarke Orbit” way back in the sixties IIRC.

Because there is little resistance at the height these things operate at, Newton’s laws of motion are clearly apparent. Most notably, an object in motion will remain in motion until a force acts upon it. Therefore, with careful calculation, an object placed in the right place at the right speed by the delivery vehicle will stay where it’s put. (See gravity above)

There are some people cleverer than you or I out there, I find it worth listening to them sometimes.

the nodding donkey:
*pedant mode on *

Unless Raymundo is a Pilot, and guides a ship in or out of a harbour or across a dangerous transit, he is not really piloting the ship.

pedant mode off

Just for you Mr Donkey I’m making this image free to the world. You can even put this on T shirts. You’re welcome. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: (click on image)

BlueyCircles
Our batteries are a shed load of 2.5v lithium cells all cleverly connected to deliver 48v. And a pile of current…
They are made in Abingdon, but not always delivered on time!
The nuclear powered stuff you talk of is for the far reaching research units, way beyond the budget of the humble EU.
Cheers
Paul

the nodding donkey:

Harry Monk:

Bking:
So why no signal when your at sea or on a plane.
If the “satellites” are “transmitting” straight to your phone or whatever why no signal at sea?

Somebody who pilots a ship has already told you that there is a signal at sea.

*pedant mode on *

Unless Raymundo is a Pilot, and guides a ship in or out of a harbour or across a dangerous transit, he is not really piloting the ship.

pedant mode off

I do the pilotage everywhere we go as there is no-one else about to do it, Saturday noon time we are sailing from Troon for the Isle of Raasay to load a freight of logs back for Girvan and I will appreciate the GPS signals that Bking says do not exist at sea …

raymundo:
I will appreciate the GPS signals that Bking says do not exist at sea …

There are no GPS signals at sea. When I used to travel on the M.V.Garden from Harwich to Turku, Finland, we used to regularly spend time with the captain and crew on the bridge, and the captain explained that apart from traversing the Kiel Canal, navigation was done entirely by GPS.

He was obviously completely barking mad, and didn’t have a clue what he was talking about. Perhaps I should put BKing in touch with him, so he can put him right. :wink:

Bluey Circles:
I thought most satellites and probes use mini nuclear power packs, wonderful little generators, can deliver 100+ watts for 40 or 50 years (maybe more)

Nuclear power tends to be limited to the long-distance probes (think Voyager) where they’re going far enough away from the sun that there’s not enough solar power to be able to run the probe.

Since I used to work as a chip designer for a company that makes GPS receivers, and therefore have a pretty good idea how they work…

I’d trust the speed readout from a GPS much more than from a “tyre rotation rate” sensor (which is basically what the tacho/limiter is using). The tyre method has so many sources of error that all add up, as have already been mentioned.

When I did my ppl, my instructor used to log our path on a handheld GPS unit - we were usually at about 3000’, which obviously made a huge difference, being 1/2 mile closer to a satellite 12000 miles away.

Somewhere on this bloody computer I have quite a few pictures taken of our GPS in different situations, like Southbound thru the Sound of Luing doing 15 knots in a 8.5 knot ship and going backwards when we missed the tide in the Pentland Firth, 10.5 knot ship trying to go against a 13 knot stream does not work :blush:
Now going back to finding them pics :unamused: