switchlogic:
Interesting sidenote to story that he’s only recently been released from a prison sentence for murdering his wife!
Did you read all of the first post in this thread?
Trickydick:
switchlogic:
Interesting sidenote to story that he’s only recently been released from a prison sentence for murdering his wife!Did you read all of the first post in this thread?
Not sure what his past has to do with things.
He was obviously caught done his time and in the past.
This is very local to me - the Astra driver was moving into a property next to the zigzags and unloading his car.
The childs mother allowed the little bloke to cross without supervision, she had her back to him, he was trailing behind.
Cctv footage shows the Sainsburys artic in a very congested scene, North St in Wareham can be a bit of a nightmare at the best of times, narrowish with cars dumped on yellows etc.
The cab of the truck was past the traffic light pole so the driver didn’t (alledgedly) see the light change to red whilst he was trying to manoeuvre around the parked car, woman and child set off unseen.
The old boy with the Astra had his car confiscated for a period after the event.
A cab coming the other way had a dashcam and clearly filmed Phoenix in his truck showing agitation.
Phoenix was taken straight back to jail as he had only been released on licence and appeared via video link to the court - court officials declined to say when he was released from prison for the murder of his 26 year old wife in 2004, this seems to be a bit hush hush but it will come to light in time.
There were several elements in this tragedy but personally I would never let a three year old cross a road without at least having him in front of me or ideally holding his hand.
edd1974:
Not sure what his past has to do with things.
He was obviously caught done his time and in the past.
Forgive me if this sounds nit-picking, please.
The mandatory sentence, (over 21 yrs old) for murder in the UK is life imprisonment. He can have been let out on licence, but will never have “done his time”. Murder is such a serious crime that it is never left in the past.
Franglais:
edd1974:
Not sure what his past has to do with things.
He was obviously caught done his time and in the past.Forgive me if this sounds nit-picking, please.
The mandatory sentence, (over 21 yrs old) for murder in the UK is life imprisonment. He can have been let out on licence, but will never have “done his time”. Murder is such a serious crime that it is never left in the past.
You have just said exactly what I was thinking Franglais.
Franglais:
edd1974:
Not sure what his past has to do with things.
He was obviously caught done his time and in the past.Forgive me if this sounds nit-picking, please.
The mandatory sentence, (over 21 yrs old) for murder in the UK is life imprisonment. He can have been let out on licence, but will never have “done his time”. Murder is such a serious crime that it is never left in the past.
Mentally it will be never be left in the past, but in the eyes of the law if you have served your time then that is it. the joke is the length of his sentence when capital punishment was abolished the deal was that life would mean life, but with fessing up and helping the police life can be as low as 10 years or less
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
edd1974:
Not sure what his past has to do with things.
He was obviously caught done his time and in the past.Forgive me if this sounds nit-picking, please.
The mandatory sentence, (over 21 yrs old) for murder in the UK is life imprisonment. He can have been let out on licence, but will never have “done his time”. Murder is such a serious crime that it is never left in the past.Mentally it will be never be left in the past, but in the eyes of the law if you have served your time then that is it. the joke is the length of his sentence when capital punishment was abolished the deal was that life would mean life, but with fessing up and helping the police life can be as low as 10 years or less
The life sentence for murder still stands. As I understand it, early release is on licence as approved by the parole board. The licence can be revoked by the parole board, and there is no need for a court hearing to recall the person into prison.
“A life sentence always lasts for the rest of the offender’s life, no matter how long the tariff is.
An offender will remain in prison for at least the minimum term. At the end of that term he or she can apply to the
Parole Board for release on licence but would only be released if no longer considered to be a risk to the public. If
released the offender would be subject to certain conditions and if the conditions are broken or if the offender is
considered to be a risk to the public he or she will be sent back to prison.”
sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp … pdf#page=3
“Cause and Effect” or even “Knock-on effect” can end an otherwise perfectly healthy life in a few moments.
I’ve often argued that it takes two to create a fatal accident, “one to cause the accident”, and the other to “fail to avoid it”.
This clip is a bit more elaborate than that, but gets the message across that a very small mishap - can easily lead to disaster for someone.
(In this clip, the concept “Mathematician Assassin”)
I don’t let my own offspring walk down a pavement where there is “nowhere to go to” in the event of a sudden distraction-caused road accident.
“No walking alongside high walls”
“Beware of parked cars that can be shunted into pedestrians by a runaway vehicle”
“Always have an escape route ready, if you need to move fast”
“Keep your right hand free with approaching pedestrians who look menacing”
“Never walk across a footbridge with your hands in your pockets”
and even “Don’t start to cross a pelican crossing until the approaching traffic has come to a stop”.
(I wonder how many have been hit by a slowing car who went to hit the brake for the final slow to stop move, but hit the accelerator instead?)
For a split second there I read “Downton” on the front of that bus.
The lorry looked as if it had gone slightly through the green light in the video to me ?
Am i blind ?
RIP to the little fella 
Socketset:
This is very local to me - the Astra driver was moving into a property next to the zigzags and unloading his car.The childs mother allowed the little bloke to cross without supervision, she had her back to him, he was trailing behind.
Cctv footage shows the Sainsburys artic in a very congested scene, North St in Wareham can be a bit of a nightmare at the best of times, narrowish with cars dumped on yellows etc.
The cab of the truck was past the traffic light pole so the driver didn’t (alledgedly) see the light change to red whilst he was trying to manoeuvre around the parked car, woman and child set off unseen.
The old boy with the Astra had his car confiscated for a period after the event.
A cab coming the other way had a dashcam and clearly filmed Phoenix in his truck showing agitation.
Phoenix was taken straight back to jail as he had only been released on licence and appeared via video link to the court - court officials declined to say when he was released from prison for the murder of his 26 year old wife in 2004, this seems to be a bit hush hush but it will come to light in time.
There were several elements in this tragedy but personally I would never let a three year old cross a road without at least having him in front of me or ideally holding his hand.
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+1
the kid was basically unsupervised as you can see in the vid…if it was your own kid,you wouldnt be letting him ride a trike in the main st and you wouldnt let him ride it across a busy crossing when you had your back to him assuming he would be ok…truckies mabey got a bit of anger issues and quick to the oil,and in hindsight he should have waited befre the crossing for about 3 weeks till the oncoming traffic stopped,but i wouldnt think his deliberate actions meant to harm anyone meaning its a bit rough getting instantly banged up.
if he chibbed someone or glassed them in a rdc( i wish) then fair cop.
if mummy had her kid supervised,there would have been no issue though the mcanns got away with that one also.
Beetlejuice:
The lorry looked as if it had gone slightly through the green light in the video to me ?
Am i blind ?
Does it make a difference? The driver was convicted of undue care, not runni g a red light.
Can we all step back for a moment, and stop blaming the mother, who lost her child, in an attempt to partially exonerate the driver. The driver who previously killed somebody, and considering he got a life sentence, we can assume that it wasn’t an accident or manslaughter. A driver who couldn’t cope with a badly parked car in a high street. Who loses his temper, because he’s momentarily held up by a badly parked car.
My guess. Is that he approached the crossing, and the car, without looking ahead and assessing the situation. He had to stop because of the car, got agitated (if not already so), and tried to force himself around the car. He didn’t pay any attention to either the crossing, or the lights, or any pedestrians around.
He got of extremely lightly.
Harry Monk:
You’d have to say that the car driver bears a lot of responsibility for this.
I respectfully disagree. The car driver did nothing to cause the truck driver to run over the child. He was parked badly, but that was in no way responsible for the truck driver’s actions.
We all come across badly parked cars at times. We deal with it, without running pedestrians over. If there’s a badly parked car in your way, you go around it safely, or wait until the car is moved.
A toddler got killed and your all trying to blame everyone but the guy deemed to be a professional driver in charge of a 44 ton truck. So you can’t see pedestrians waiting at the crossing over the top of the car in the cab of an artic can you not and therefore anticipate those lights may well change? Get a grip the lot of you.
Shouldn’t we ALL be avoiding coming to a stop straddling pedestrian crossings? I try to treat them like the yellow junction boxes… I won’t start to cross, until I can get beyond it in one move.
While this was happening , where was the kids father? When I am out even in my car and see a lorry or bus “stuck” I try to do the decent thing and let him go.
alamcculloch:
While this was happening , where was the kids father? When I am out even in my car and see a lorry or bus “stuck” I try to do the decent thing and let him go.
Maybe he was at work, maybe he was in the pub. The kid was with his mother and sister.
What’s your point?
the nodding donkey:
Harry Monk:
You’d have to say that the car driver bears a lot of responsibility for this.I respectfully disagree. The car driver did nothing to cause the truck driver to run over the child. He was parked badly, but that was in no way responsible for the truck driver’s actions.
We all come across badly parked cars at times. We deal with it, without running pedestrians over. If there’s a badly parked car in your way, you go around it safely, or wait until the car is moved.
+1
alamcculloch:
While this was happening , where was the kids father? When I am out even in my car and see a lorry or bus “stuck” I try to do the decent thing and let him go.
Well, word has it they don’t live together.