Stopped today by the Regional Commercial Vehicle Unit at Switch Island
Driver carrying over 20 tonnes of glass bottles secured only with internal straps with no XL side curtains fitted.
Driver reported and load made safe before onward journey.
I will probably get my head bitten off here but why is the emphasis always on the transporter and not the producer. Why don’t we have a law that insists that the producer makes the pallets safe to travel . Why dont they shrinkwrap those pallets or put top boards on so that the pallets can be strapped
Works well in Germany the people loading are also responsible for the security of the product and ensuring you are not overweight, if you are pulled and there is a problem then they receive a fine too
Exactly, consigner liability like Germany is what we need, stop plonking all responsibility on driver. It means that in Germany even if you don’t have correct load security equipment customer will (often charged back to transport Co) as if anything goes over after its left their gates they are just as responsible
I heard that Schutts who make IBCs wont let you strap their loads so how do you stand on that one.Apparently its a quick turnaround they put 52 new IBCs on and off you go. To be fair they are right but do those clowns at VOSA see it that way , what does it say in their little books they all must carry around
the driver in the pic knows for sure what vosa say…
their beancounter book says strap everything,so your options are to strap and damage,refuse it completely,get your company to agree to pay your fine,then crack on regardless.
ramone:
I heard that Schutts who make IBCs wont let you strap their loads so how do you stand on that one.Apparently its a quick turnaround they put 52 new IBCs on and off you go. To be fair they are right but do those clowns at VOSA see it that way , what does it say in their little books they all must carry around
That’s the point of consigner liability. As it is they can say what they want, once it leaves yard it’s driver or transport companies fault if anything goes wrong. Making them liable as well changes that
Well the answer is obviously to send them by rail, by sea or by air. When they move on a 747 and it comes down in Whitehall, the Eastt or West coast mainline is blocked for a day or a humungous cargo ship sinks and paralyses a port for a month someone might listen otherwise since the RHA wouldn’t say bo to a goose the only thing for it is for hauliers to just block the loading bays until the stuff is made safe to travel.
So what’s the answer?
The silence is deafening apart from the drop of £ coins!
The way I understand it is secure just the wrong type of trailer they want it on a xl trailer?
Trouble is try getting 20t of pre cast concrete through the roof on a box trailer, the correctly specced curtainsider can give as much load security as a box with running boards and XL curtains. The rest of Europe has been using them for years, the UK is way behind Europe when it comes to trailer technology, look at the Dutch trailer configurations or how they can run double deckers at 4m, people wonder why there are no decent UK trailer manufacturers left, it’s because they were building crap that no one else wanted and so couldn’t produce in the numbers needed to make a profit.
If hauliers had been buying the proper trailers in the first place then there never would have been issue about using incorrect equipment, any problems then would have been down to the idleness of the driver not being arsed to move running boards or use lashing points.
Trouble is try getting 20t of pre cast concrete through the roof on a box trailer, the correctly specced curtainsider can give as much load security as a box with running boards and XL curtains. The rest of Europe has been using them for years, the UK is way behind Europe when it comes to trailer technology, look at the Dutch trailer configurations or how they can run double deckers at 4m, people wonder why there are no decent UK trailer manufacturers left, it’s because they were building crap that no one else wanted and so couldn’t produce in the numbers needed to make a profit.
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Plus one, use side boards probably located, and straps no problems. Basically let’s just use tilts/euro liners.
Jack-knife:
Flatbeds
Bit rope and a sheet
It’s the future?
Spot on mate I carried loads of glass for rockware under ropes and sheets 20yrs ago and never lost any.
I even loaded them in lohre-maine[d] for marstons In burton on trent.that was a London glass co.
Good tight sheets,cross on the front,double cross on the back rope between the plts. job done.
Jack-knife:
Flatbeds
Bit rope and a sheet
It’s the future?
Spot on mate I carried loads of glass for rockware under ropes and sheets 20yrs ago and never lost any.
I even loaded them in lohre-maine[d] for marstons In burton on trent.that was a London glass co.
Good tight sheets,cross on the front,double cross on the back rope between the plts. job done.
As far as I remember ‘bottle sheets’ were a certain type,.and a ■■■■ ton weight.
It’s that bloody long ago now, but did we load them double stacked?..or am I dreaming? Used to load them at Robsons of Carlisle, sure they were doubled.
(Think I remember being on top of the load and not liking heights )
Jack-knife:
So what’s the answer?
The silence is deafening apart from the drop of £ coins!
The way I understand it is secure just the wrong type of trailer they want it on a xl trailer?
Jack-knife:
Flatbeds
Bit rope and a sheet
It’s the future?
Spot on mate I carried loads of glass for rockware under ropes and sheets 20yrs ago and never lost any.
I even loaded them in lohre-maine[d] for marstons In burton on trent.that was a London glass co.
Good tight sheets,cross on the front,double cross on the back rope between the plts. job done.
As far as I remember ‘bottle sheets’ were a certain type,.and a [zb] ton weight.
It’s that bloody long ago now, but did we load them double stacked?..or am I dreaming? Used to load them at Robsons of Carlisle, sure they were doubled.
(Think I remember being on top of the load and not liking heights )
Yes they were designed for the job but as you say heavy.I used ordinary trl sheets,they did the job with a little less effort
All the loads I carried were doubled up.Happy days eh.
Jack-knife:
Flatbeds
Bit rope and a sheet
It’s the future?
Spot on mate I carried loads of glass for rockware under ropes and sheets 20yrs ago and never lost any.
I even loaded them in lohre-maine[d] for marstons In burton on trent.that was a London glass co.
Good tight sheets,cross on the front,double cross on the back rope between the plts. job done.
As far as I remember ‘bottle sheets’ were a certain type,.and a [zb] ton weight.
It’s that bloody long ago now, but did we load them double stacked?..or am I dreaming? Used to load them at Robsons of Carlisle, sure they were doubled.
(Think I remember being on top of the load and not liking heights )
Yes they were designed for the job but as you say heavy.I used ordinary trl sheets,they did the job with a little less effort
All the loads I carried were doubled up.Happy days eh.
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they were always happy for me in them days.
after the first few loads carried with the obligatory being lifted up and down on the forks along with the sheets,then i just refused point blank to load bottles,and also loads of hay though i never took any of them.
i just had the opinion that they would be a load of utter carnage in the making and never lifted one.
best leaving the torture to the ones happy to do it.
Jack-knife:
Flatbeds
Bit rope and a sheet
It’s the future?
Spot on mate I carried loads of glass for rockware under ropes and sheets 20yrs ago and never lost any.
I even loaded them in lohre-maine[d] for marstons In burton on trent.that was a London glass co.
Good tight sheets,cross on the front,double cross on the back rope between the plts. job done.
As far as I remember ‘bottle sheets’ were a certain type,.and a [zb] ton weight.
It’s that bloody long ago now, but did we load them double stacked?..or am I dreaming? Used to load them at Robsons of Carlisle, sure they were doubled.
(Think I remember being on top of the load and not liking heights )
Afternoon, I ya right mate lots were double stacked, some single depending on bottle type or location, I started for robsons in 84, carried ■■■■ loads of bottles all over thankf as with any load it stopped on the trailer ming you our north east depot at durham was scary, had a ramp as big as the one on hms hermes and a trailer park like a battlefield, and to Think they all stopped on , didnt no any differnt that was our traffic , it was our job, we just done it, mind you todays health and safetybollox wlouldnt allow it , surprised they havnt said you gotta use a safety locked step ladder to get in and out of ya cab, southbound at beatock cafe on 74, next to quarry, nee botha
Jack-knife:
So what’s the answer?
The silence is deafening apart from the drop of £ coins!
The way I understand it is secure just the wrong type of trailer they want it on a xl trailer?
Simple, safe, loads were carried like that in the days of ropes and sheets, not just bottles obviously,but a dont think there’s a driver out there who hasnt or should have concerns for his or her prescious cargo, , I worked with a guy who had a cherry picker on his trailer and that fell off, needless to say he got sacked,guess anything can fall off or part of can fall,ultimately its drivers responsibility to secure load in which ever way he or she deems necessary, okay have a dig its a can of worms
Not sure what was in these cans, safe or unsafe,
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