Russians at DHL?

[juddian]

Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now, forgot the most important one self reliance.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British in their own language, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

[hay1908]

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

mmmmmm? Food for thought and a well put post. I do however still sit on the side of the fence that says that we surely must have enough skilled and trustworthy drivers here in the UK without having to go elsewhere, if we dont have enough by way of numbers then surely it aint hard to train people up, its not exactly rocket science to gain the licence if given enough time and good tuition. Then of course it needs firms to offer up driver placements to rookies (apprenticeships).

It does however kick my beliefs into touch when I read things like this: Sleeping in warehouse, legal or not? - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK

[wheel_nut]

So maths isn’t a necessity to drive for DHL

The pay rates start at around £9.00 per hour and most drivers earn between £500 - £800 per week.

To be fair it is probably at East Midlands, they have had an advert for drivers every week since 2003, although it was never 500 quid a week it was closer to 300

[carryfast]

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now, forgot the most important one self reliance.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British in their own language, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

So if you’re white and British it’s probably best to leave the zb country and let the foreigners all split the place up amongst themselves.At least the Russians will have experience of getting blown up in Afghan and the black rioters won’t be able to understand what the Russian coppers are telling them before they open fire.

[ncooper]

Carryfast:
At least the Russians will have experience of getting blown up in Afghan

Regards,
Nick.

[ben9]

Hay1908:

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

mmmmmm? Food for thought and a well put post. I do however still sit on the side of the fence that says that we surely must have enough skilled and trustworthy drivers here in the UK without having to go elsewhere, if we dont have enough by way of numbers then surely it aint hard to train people up, its not exactly rocket science to gain the licence if given enough time and good tuition. Then of course it needs firms to offer up driver placements to rookies (apprenticeships).

It is indeed food for thought and along the same lines as I was thinking of writing but the above poster has made a far better job of it.

The blunt truth and reality of it is that most British workers (not just drivers) are lazy, bone idol, workshy and believe that everybody owes them a living.

[mike68]

Ben9:

Hay1908:

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

mmmmmm? Food for thought and a well put post. I do however still sit on the side of the fence that says that we surely must have enough skilled and trustworthy drivers here in the UK without having to go elsewhere, if we dont have enough by way of numbers then surely it aint hard to train people up, its not exactly rocket science to gain the licence if given enough time and good tuition. Then of course it needs firms to offer up driver placements to rookies (apprenticeships).

It is indeed food for thought and along the same lines as I was thinking of writing but the above poster has made a far better job of it.

The blunt truth and reality of it is that most British workers (not just drivers) are lazy, bone idol, workshy and believe that everybody owes them a living.

You forgot, lack of pride in their work, and a level of ineptitude that beggars belief.
We live in a country that rewards failure, it starts at the bottom of society with benefit dependency and ends at the top with multi million pound bonuses for clueless bankers.

[juddian]

mike68:

Ben9:

Hay1908:

Juddian:

mmmmmm? Food for thought and a well put post. I do however still sit on the side of the fence that says that we surely must have enough skilled and trustworthy drivers here in the UK without having to go elsewhere, if we dont have enough by way of numbers then surely it aint hard to train people up, its not exactly rocket science to gain the licence if given enough time and good tuition. Then of course it needs firms to offer up driver placements to rookies (apprenticeships).

It is indeed food for thought and along the same lines as I was thinking of writing but the above poster has made a far better job of it.

The blunt truth and reality of it is that most British workers (not just drivers) are lazy, bone idol, workshy and believe that everybody owes them a living.

You forgot, lack of pride in their work, and a level of ineptitude that beggars belief.
We live in a country that rewards failure, it starts at the bottom of society with benefit dependency and ends at the top with multi million pound bonuses for clueless bankers.

Pride in the job?, yes that seems to have gone west, as does taking responsibility for ones self and each other by trying to do the best one can.

Some interesting posts here, note how the attitude comes over in the replies to this thread, you can see the shoulder chips from a thousand paces in some replies.

We have to put our own house in order, we can’t do much about the state of the country overall (its buggered), but we can make ourselves more attactive to the remaining good employers, bad employers can take on all the dross they like as cheaply as they like, home grown and imported, and see where that gets them.

Find an old school driver who takes a pride, is reliable, courteous, presentable etc and guess what?, he’s in a decent job most of the time, if he isn’t then its a temporary blip whilst he’s between jobs.

Good employers seem to be mopping up the dwindling supply of old school drivers, and age isn’t the only criteria, many young drivers have old school attitude too, well the ones at my place of work do or they wouldn’t be here.

Good employers are not always the biggest or those with the flash kit, though some drivers are blinded by bling and lights.

Good employers appreciate their staff, pay and treat them fairly, for they realise that in our job the company is only as good as its front line staff, they are the company reps and can make or break the company.

In return good employees appreciate fair treatment and realise they are fortunate and that they have responsibility to make the job work by doing their level best to make it happen, and if they know other good drivers who they would employ themselves they recommend them, safe in the knowledge that for each good driver the company recruits their own job is increasingly secure.

None of this is rocket science.

[biggsam]

simple change your put ovski or ovich on the end of your name and apply for the job if you want it what is stopping you !

[waynedl]

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now, forgot the most important one self reliance.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British in their own language, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

Sorry mate, but that’s ■■■■■■■■.

Where I’ve recently finished, there was 5 drivers, 1 was polish, 4 english.

The polish guy (without sounding like this is typical) caused a LOT of damage to trailers and vehicles. He bent the law ALL the time. He got banned from sites, once for threatening to climb a crane and throw a guy off. He was escorted off a dock for threatening and abusing behaviour to staff etc.

Sounds just like you described

Oh, he’s still got his job, where as I got fired with NO damage, excellent mpg’s, a good attitude to most people (ok, some rub me up the wrong way, I am human), I was reliable, only time I was off was when my gran died.

[dessy]

What you are forgetting in this thread is British people who are and have been working all this time are working the longest hours in the EU for decades! Not to mention all the free overtime put in by salaried workers!

I’m of an immigrant background as my parents are from NI and Eire! I can’t and won’t slag off an immigrant coming here for a better life for their family! But I won’t accept the generalisation that Brits are Lazy ■■■■■ either!

[santa]

Where I’ve recently finished, there was 5 drivers, 1 was polish, 4 english.

The polish guy (without sounding like this is typical) caused a LOT of damage to trailers and vehicles. He bent the law ALL the time. He got banned from sites, once for threatening to climb a crane and throw a guy off. He was escorted off a dock for threatening and abusing behaviour to staff etc.

Sounds just like you described

Oh, he’s still got his job, where as I got fired with NO damage, excellent mpg’s, a good attitude to most people (ok, some rub me up the wrong way, I am human), I was reliable, only time I was off was when my gran died.

Well - we have no way of seeing the other side of this but it sounds like bull to me. When I was a TM then any driver who squared up to a customer’s staff would have been out so fast he’d be dizzy. I’m not sure I would even have allowed him to drive back to the yard.

I think that when there are plenty of jobs around then some employers will put up with a lot, just to get the job done. Now the boot is on the other foot and employers can cherry pick the best.

[dessy]

Well! I’m sure I read somewhere in T&D last year about a driver who was sacked for arguing with a customer let’s say! And they sacked said driver without following correct discipline procedures and were taken to tribunal and had a hefty payout to make and reinstate the driver!

HTH

[rambo19]

waynedl:

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now, forgot the most important one self reliance.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British in their own language, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

Sorry mate, but that’s [zb].

Where I’ve recently finished, there was 5 drivers, 1 was polish, 4 english.

The polish guy (without sounding like this is typical) caused a LOT of damage to trailers and vehicles. He bent the law ALL the time. He got banned from sites, once for threatening to climb a crane and throw a guy off. He was escorted off a dock for threatening and abusing behaviour to staff etc.

Sounds just like you described

Oh, he’s still got his job, where as I got fired with NO damage, excellent mpg’s, a good attitude to most people (ok, some rub me up the wrong way, I am human), I was reliable, only time I was off was when my gran died.

More to this story…

[santa]

they sacked said driver without following correct discipline procedures

That’s stupid. A good disciplinary procedure must be written down, followed to the letter and all the steps recorded. A driver can be instantly dismissed (so long as the procedure says so) for all kinds of misbehavior like theft, fighting or threatening a customer. Of course you have to give him an opportunity to make his case but that’s just bull****. In some cases a warning might be appropriate but only one.

Do it by the book and write it all down and the tribunal will uphold it. I went to three in my time as TM and never lost one.

[shugg]

On the same topic how long will it be before we see vehicles manufactured in China , Russia ,etc at a fracion of the price of over priced Scandinavian trucks , remember when we all sniggered at Nissans ,Kias etc just look at them now !!! .

[pavaroti]

You can’t have free trade without the free movement of people. It’s a bitter pill I know. The sad fact is the British worker in world terms has had it to good. Deal with it and prosper.

[waynedl]

Santa:

Where I’ve recently finished, there was 5 drivers, 1 was polish, 4 english.

The polish guy (without sounding like this is typical) caused a LOT of damage to trailers and vehicles. He bent the law ALL the time. He got banned from sites, once for threatening to climb a crane and throw a guy off. He was escorted off a dock for threatening and abusing behaviour to staff etc.

Sounds just like you described

Oh, he’s still got his job, where as I got fired with NO damage, excellent mpg’s, a good attitude to most people (ok, some rub me up the wrong way, I am human), I was reliable, only time I was off was when my gran died.

Well - we have no way of seeing the other side of this but it sounds like bull to me. When I was a TM then any driver who squared up to a customer’s staff would have been out so fast he’d be dizzy. I’m not sure I would even have allowed him to drive back to the yard.

I think that when there are plenty of jobs around then some employers will put up with a lot, just to get the job done. Now the boot is on the other foot and employers can cherry pick the best.

There were witnesses to him arrested at Seaforth, and you know what it’s like in this industry, the news spreads like wildfire.

And you can ask in Freighliner Mcr about the throwing driver off a crane issue too.

And the fact he’s now driving what was my truck (which now has damaged drivers steps) after crashing his into a bollard in a fuel station.

I was responsible for the tacho downloads and emailing them to the company, so I know about and have proof of the infringements too.

I don’t want to sound like I’m throwing mud at another driver, I’m actually quite happy he’s still got his job, because he’s actually a decent guy, I’m merely using the example that they’re not perfect and there must be something else going on why they’re always still recruited.

rambo19:

waynedl:

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now, forgot the most important one self reliance.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British in their own language, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

Sorry mate, but that’s [zb].

Where I’ve recently finished, there was 5 drivers, 1 was polish, 4 english.

The polish guy (without sounding like this is typical) caused a LOT of damage to trailers and vehicles. He bent the law ALL the time. He got banned from sites, once for threatening to climb a crane and throw a guy off. He was escorted off a dock for threatening and abusing behaviour to staff etc.

Sounds just like you described

Oh, he’s still got his job, where as I got fired with NO damage, excellent mpg’s, a good attitude to most people (ok, some rub me up the wrong way, I am human), I was reliable, only time I was off was when my gran died.

More to this story…

Yes, I was fired because I put a comment on the pda regarding reason for being late on a job, and because it was multiple choice (driver lost, driver ill, previous work etc) and none of these were correct, I put ‘Other’ and in reason for other, I put ‘DAF NOT RAF’. I’ve never hidden this, it’s on here in black and white. I also had a situation in the xmas middle period where I refused to hand someone my keys, which my company said they’d support 100%.

Never said I was perfect, I am using the example that the imigrant workers aren’t perfect either.

[the_catman]

Certainly the willingness of foreigners to work here in lower paid jobs is different to locals. A bit in the papers this week was that Pret a Manger (who do pay more than the minimum wage) have only 19% of their staff from Britain.

On the one hand we are told we have record youth unemployment and yet not many of them seem to want to do jobs that involve some work.

TC

[carryfast]

mike68:

Ben9:

Hay1908:

Juddian:
Look lads, i’m not a gaffer i’m a driver and have been for more bloody years than enough.

Why are companies looking for foreign workers, with the language barrier and lack of local knowledge they should be at a severe disadvantge, so work out why they are wanted.

Attitude, reliability, capability, responsibility, customer care, care of equipment, skill, discretion, honesty.

These are just a few of the once regular traits of our own truck drivers, there are many more, and in too many cases they are sadly missing now.

Some of our own blokes are getting like the bloody half wit unemployable young chavs seen everywhere, Christ many of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians and other east europeans that i meet in my work are better spoken and written than the British, its a bloody disgrace, i’ve worked with Romanian drivers in particular and found them to be very old school in capability and responsibility and well mannered.

If you really want to stop companies recruiting foreigners, shape up a bit so the companies have enough good staff that they don’t need to go abroad to recruit.

We have such a distinct advantages over the foreign lads, use them and make yourselves indespensible instead of indefensible.

Be friendly well mannered and approachable instead of hostile and ignorant, be polite and reliable and the companies won’t need to look elsewhere.

As an aside i know being hostile tough and aggressive is part of modern British culture, probably the result of watching too many episodes of bloody east enders and other such mindless crap, but its anything but attractive and i go into fits of giggles when i see it, especially when displayed by mature in age blokes, the young kids know no better.

When i visit some customers premises and delivery points i sometimes get the unfriendly treatment, invariably from white British people, we’ve all seen and had it.
When i go to premises staffed by Asians or East Europeans, invariably i am greeted respectfully and in a friendly way which i reciprocate, when i go to leave the chap who has sorted my tipping operation out will often come and shake my hand with a smile, how often does this happen with a white Brit?

We have a lot to learn from people from other countries, some basic manners for a start, lots of other things too like respecting and caring for your elders but thats a discussion for another time.

mmmmmm? Food for thought and a well put post. I do however still sit on the side of the fence that says that we surely must have enough skilled and trustworthy drivers here in the UK without having to go elsewhere, if we dont have enough by way of numbers then surely it aint hard to train people up, its not exactly rocket science to gain the licence if given enough time and good tuition. Then of course it needs firms to offer up driver placements to rookies (apprenticeships).

It is indeed food for thought and along the same lines as I was thinking of writing but the above poster has made a far better job of it.

The blunt truth and reality of it is that most British workers (not just drivers) are lazy, bone idol, workshy and believe that everybody owes them a living.

You forgot, lack of pride in their work, and a level of ineptitude that beggars belief.
We live in a country that rewards failure, it starts at the bottom of society with benefit dependency and ends at the top with multi million pound bonuses for clueless bankers.

So logically,unless you’re a zb Russian/East European or some other type of immigrant,you must be including yourself in that statement .

Or is it just yet more commie bs like the social security issue,in which it’s a case of every other person,who’s of British origin,is a lazy,bone idol,workshy zb who believs that everyone owes them a living and every one else who claims on the zb social security system is a scrounger,who needs to be watched,except you .

The strange thing is if I was to say that most,if not all,immigration is just based on a load of foreign parasites who haven’t got the brains or ability to make something of their own countries so want to come here to scrounge off of, what remains of,our country’s economy and society,I’d be called a racist.