switchlogic:
There comes a time in every thread Carryfast hijacks where he just keeps going on and on, sending people to sleep. I actually dozed off reading that list post. We’ve reached that point. A Carryfast motto ‘Never use 1 word when you can use 150 instead’
I used more than 150 words to answer the question why did the Frogs throw their toys out of the pram.Oh no I’ve broken switch’s word amount rules.
switchlogic:
There comes a time in every thread Carryfast hijacks where he just keeps going on and on, sending people to sleep. I actually dozed off reading that list post. We’ve reached that point. A Carryfast motto ‘Never use 1 word when you can use 150 instead’
You actually read what he writes? That’s where you’re going wrong [emoji99] [emoji99] [emoji99]
Under Canadian rules you can do a 16hr spreadover, in a 24hr day you can drive for 13hrs, you have to have at least 10hrs off duty, 8 of which must be in the sleeper berth, you can take the 10hrs in one block or split it, but the 8hrs in the sleeper is a constant.
In practice with a paper log you can, if you’re inclined, take your 8hrs from Midnight to 8am and then drive your 13hrs. Now here’s where the fiddling creeps in, you can theoretically run at the speed limit, in 110km/h provinces you can log 108km/h average without fear of upsetting the DOT, however in practice that is impossible to achieve unless you’re travelling at a very high rate of fuel consumption. So you stop for a 5/10min pee/coffee/snack break four times and log it as a 30minute break to satisfy the splitting of the 2hrs off duty time you must add to the 8hrs sleeper berth time and you have a “legal” log for the day.
It’s actually 100% legal too thanks to the 7/8min rule. This works like this, if you stop at 7mins past the hour/15/30/45 min mark (log books are set out in 15min segments) you can log it back to the hour/15/30/45min mark. If you leave at 8mins past the quarter hour segment you log it forwards. If you stop multiple times a day and use this loophole you can gain 14minutes every time you stop, so you can easily add an hour or two to your 13hrs and it’s all legal.
Anybody with half a brain can sit down with a pen and paper and work out that even though we have a 13hr daily driving limit, it is possible under current methods of recording driving hours to extend that by a couple of hours and that is exactly what the “we hate trucks” groups have done and they have powerful lobbying groups that have pointed out to government that better more accurate methods of recording driving time exist and the government had to agree with them.
That is the reason for the introduction of elogs, it’s nothing to do with fatigue or trucks crashing into things, it’s purely to satisfy a bunch of tossers with nothing better to do than be outraged by things that have SFA to do with them. Sort of like a bloke that doesn’t drive lorries going off alarming about driving hours and running bent!
People taking the ■■■■ with historic French plod generosity,in large part,the point of bringing the party to an end.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
There comes a time in every thread Carryfast hijacks where he just keeps going on and on, sending people to sleep. I actually dozed off reading that list post. We’ve reached that point. A Carryfast motto ‘Never use 1 word when you can use 150 instead’I used more than 150 words to answer the question why did the Frogs throw their toys out of the pram.Oh no I’ve broken switch’s word amount rules.
To be fair the word count is the least of your worries, all the made up balls you come out with is worse. You’ve written more fiction than JK Rowling
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
I used more than 150 words to answer the question why did the Frogs throw their toys out of the pram.Oh no I’ve broken switch’s word amount rules.To be fair the word count is the least of your worries, all the made up balls you come out with is worse. You’ve written more fiction than JK Rowling
Did he do 15 years on night trunk too 
As nmm says it’s anti truck fools pushing this same as things in London.
The fact is despite the fact it would be lovely that rustic yokels could deliver all our goods we need big trucks.
However in the UK look at the moans abut rdcwaits fact is big firms use lorry’s for storage.
In Canada carry fast especially on the east coast trucks will sit in pack houses all day loading meat then be expected to go like ■■■■ down the congested as the m25 eastern seaboard
As nmm says it’s anti truck fools pushing this same as things in London.
The fact is despite the fact it would be lovely that rustic yokels could deliver all our goods we need big trucks.
However in the UK look at the moans abut rdcwaits fact is big firms use lorry’s for storage.
In Canada carry fast especially on the east coast trucks will sit in pack houses all day loading meat then be expected to go like ■■■■ down the congested as the m25 eastern seaboard
As they are on mileage pay it’s in the driver needs to earn and has to run bent to male a living.
From my experience of Canada haulage in many ways it’s like the UK 30yeats ago in some respect sits good as the firm I worked for left you alone and if yu nicked the odd half hour to run to a decent stop i t was t a problem.
However the blokes on the east coast getting screwed e logs will help them make a living
After a few peronis I’ve come to a conclusion why run bent. I think it was a combination of chasing money and wanting to get one over on the system.
Same as when I was a kid with my dad on tippers often fly tipping and ducking an diving was seen as a laugh and the antics would be chewed over in the pub Saturday lunch time.
Even when I started in 2000 my first job was a cowboy tipper firm and was the most fun time evwr.
Prehaps most of us was just trying to break out of the mundane and carry fast don’t get it.
switchlogic:
To be fair tho I’m probably falling asleep as I did a one hit run from Chippenham to Avonmouth earlier. Gruelling
You b&&&&&d. You have no sense of responsibility, therefore cf will be riding shotgun with you for the next month.
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Talking new brunswick to ny nj no real miles but most of the East coast work is that
Accepting and supporting are two different things Carryfast, I’m a glass half full kind of bloke, so I prefer to look at things from a positive point of view.
I do not want an elog and I do not want a speed limiter, even though I have nothing to fear from either, as I run legal and I don’t tear arse around.
However, both of them are going to be the law soon, so I have to look for ways that make them work for me. They call it moving with the times.
In a thread titled running bent in the 80s and 90s it is also called hijacking, this isn’t going off on a tangent, it’s a completely different topic altogether and I’m sure that it’s detrimental to the thread, so this is my last word on Canadian and American hours of service and methods of recording said hours.
newmercman:
In a thread titled running bent in the 80s and 90s it is also called hijacking, this isn’t going off on a tangent, it’s a completely different topic altogether and I’m sure that it’s detrimental to the thread, so this is my last word on Canadian and American hours of service and methods of recording said hours.
To be fair it was actually you who raised the apples v oranges North American comparison regarding around 1,400 km driving shifts in regards to my comments concerning one hit runs to/from Italy to/from Calais having in large part being an example of what upset the foreign plod. ?. 
No, I said something along the lines of what I do legally here would see me locked up over there. It’s since turned into a complete hijack. If you want to discuss it further than start a thread on the expat forum.
As I remember it the Plod had more of a sense of humour, and nicking someone was more of an art form, back in the day. Now with Digi-Cards all thats necessary is to plug the card into a laptop and print out the fine! Anyone get nicked at Castets on a Monday night? For a few weeks there were many trips made to the hole in the wall machine: the Gendarmerie were looking at the discs and anyone with a start place of Cherbourg was nicked. They said "Youve either been speeding or are over your hours, pay 900FF now or we`ll go through everything including looking for wires". I think everyone paid.
Was stopped om way up to the port one time. (Was when you could run home on a Sunday). Cop went thro discs, CMRs insurance etc etc. He was about to hand it all back when he twigged I was on my 7th day. He just laughed and told me to clear off. That would never happen now; to be honest was almost unbelievable then too!
newmercman:
I don’t know what happened, it seemed like the French police turned into Germans overnight, one minute you got away with a coffee, next minute it was neuf cent franc s’il vous plait. It was around the time when they stopped you running home after 10pm Saturday, maybe they got a new man at the top and he decided that the statistics in France didn’t match those of other countries, so mandated a new harsher regime.
That’s how it seemed to me too. Sometime in the early 1990’s, overnight, giving a French copper a bung went from being the normal everyday thing to do to being something that was likely to end up in a date with the guillotine. No doubt there was a new Grande Fromage who decided this sort of thing wasn’t acceptable in a first world country.
Carryfast:
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Oh. My. God! Carryfast deleted a post!
The nutter has been through his posts and edited or deleted them!
Jeez, at least have the balls to stand by what you’ve written!
Harry Monk:
That’s how it seemed to me too. Sometime in the early 1990’s, overnight, giving a French copper a bung went from being the normal everyday thing to do to being something that was likely to end up in a date with the guillotine. No doubt there was a new Grande Fromage who decided this sort of thing wasn’t acceptable in a first world country.
That’s similar to the car scene Harry.Except it happened a bit later and went from at a worse a horse trading exercise,regarding what was actually shown on the supposed ‘radar detector’ 
,to get an already very reasonable ‘fine’ down a bit more.To anything much more than 100 mph on an autoroute or 70 mph on an RN they’ll impound and confiscate the car and/or lock up the driver for a considerable sentence no ifs no buts.
Then we’ve got turkeys here voting for christmas by calling or uk endorsement of uk licences for French infringements. This might be also interesting in that regard.