Run to Beziers - Advice needed

The family that owns the company I drive for have a holiday home at Beziers, near Montpelier in the South of France. In February they are building a swimming pool and as the son is an ex-landscape gardener they are doing it themselves. So I will be driving the wagon, loaded with machines, tools and materials required to do the job, down through France.

As I have only driven on the continent once - from Zeebrugge to Gladbach - Germany, I am not familiar with French roads. So I need some advice on the following:

  • Roughly how long would it take to drive to Beziers (50km from Montpelier) from Zeebrugge?
  • All online route planners send me round Paris. From what I have heard the périphérique is to be avoided if possible. Is this true or are rumours not to be believed?
  • What are the speed limits on French roads for HGVs?
  • Where do wagon drivers eat & park overnight on the Autoroutes?

If you guys can help me answer these questions and/or offer me any other advice, I’d be grateful. Thanks

well if you are coming from the uk dont go via zeebrugge.

go dover calais then followthe A26 to reims along the way you will see the signs for dijon and lyon.

the peripherique aint to bad just keep eye on the road signs and you will be fine.

90kph an hr on motorways

any motorway services are good most have a shower and either a restaurant or snck type bar.

the alternative is to look out on the exit/sortie signs for where it says centre routier which is the french for truckstop.

P.S as you get nearer LYON you will pick up the signs for bezier/montpelier

Lostpup:

  • Roughly how long would it take to drive to Beziers (50km from Montpelier) from Zeebrugge?

I would say if you allow 15 hours driving you should cover the distance easily in that time.

Lostpup:

    • All online route planners send me round Paris. From what I have heard the périphérique is to be avoided if possible. Is this true or are rumours not to be believed?

It can be a bad road but it’s not as bad as the stories you hear. Personally I would avoid it just for the fact you could be delayed and you would have to use the A6 between Paris and Beaune which I think is one of Europe’s most boring motorways. I would suggest from Zebrugge going toward Lille then follow the signs for Paris until you hit the A26, signposted toward Reims. Take the A26 and stay on it until you get onto the A5 near Troyes. This in turn becomes the A31 to Dijon then the A6 to Lyon. At Lyon take the ring road following the signs for Marseille and after the ring you will be on the A7. A little north of Marseille you will take the A9, signposted Montpellier and Barcelona. That’s it, a short distance beyond Montpellier you will reach the exit for Beziers.

Lostpup:

  • What are the speed limits on French roads for HGVs

90 km/ph on motorways and 60 on Nationals, unless signs say otherwise.

Lostpup:

    • Where do wagon drivers eat & park overnight on the Autoroutes?

French motorway service areas are far better than UK ones with plenty of parking at most of them. Some have separate areas for truck drivers, all will have showers and the parking is free. There are a couple that do charge for parking but that is for a secure area and they also have free parking. They are still motorway service areas though so better facilities can be found off the motorway at Routiers on the national roads. You would have to decide if you wanted to do that given your lack of experience of France.

Lostpup:

  • If you guys can help me answer these questions and/or offer me any other advice, I’d be grateful. Thanks

Hope that helps but the problem is ask six continental drivers the best way to get somewhere and you will get six different routes, the route above is the way I would generally go. :wink: :smiley:
Spardo (David) may be able to suggest a good alternative off the motorway for parking and eating as he has an extensive knowledge of Routiers so hopefully he will see this thread or you could PM him.

neil46:
well if you are coming from the uk dont go via zeebrugge.

Given his location I am guessing he is taking the ferry from Scotland to ZeeBee. :wink: :smiley:

what about the route via luxemburg. —zeebrugge–gent–brussels—namur
luxemburg–dudelange–metz–dijon–chalon–lyon
this allows you to fill up with cheap fuel and ciggies,although it may be longer,
just a thought, and the extra distance can not be that great
and from luxemburg to lyon takes about 7-8 hrs driveing
which ever route you take enjoy yourself and rember to ““belt up”” and keep your disatance from the vehicle in front due to the controls which are looking out for these type of offences,

LP, I don’t make any comment about your choice of Zeebrugge as that is probably out of your hands and I don’t know what kind of rates your boss can command.

Beyond that, if you want to stick to Autoroutes I can’t argue with Coffee’s route.
I can, however give you an alternative which may be a bit cheaper and give you a better chance to find ‘real’ French truckstops - the Routiers.

It is important to know the different degrees of restaurants in France.
1.Autoroute service areas are better than their English equivalent as Neil says and open 24/7 but at the bottom of the food chain. They do however have very good showers.
2.Centre Routiers found, and usually well signed, near most large towns are very good for reasonably priced food. They have very large parking areas, good shower facilities, and are often open on Saturdays, but not always Sundays.
3.Les Routiers are the best. The cheapest and usually the best food, very often more personal and friendly atmosphere and the places that most French and Dutch drivers go out of their way for. I wouldn’t go anywhere else if there was one available. The downside is that their showers are a bit basic and often only single, so there might be a queue. Some of the smaller ones have only one set menu so if you are the adventurous type, no need to worry about understanding and ordering.

I hate the Paris area and avoid it when I can, but it is not necessary to use the Peripherique.
Take the A1 towards Paris, I don’t know what timescale for stops you will be on, but for good eating there is a routiers near Compiegne. Leave the AR at J10 and head west on the N31 towards Beauvais, by-passing the village of Arsy! After about 6kms turn left on the N17 towards Senlis. Ignore the weight prohibition, you are allowed to travel to and from the resto which is about 2kms on the left just before the village of Blincourt. First class! When you have eaten or slept re-trace your steps to J10 and continue south.

From Lille on the A1 just keep following the signs for the A104/ N104, the outer ring, and the destination boards for Lyon A6.
Take the A6 Sud(south) where indicated, J33 and almost immediately you pass a giant servce area. I never eat there because I know what is ahead! Down the dip (watch your speed and no overtaking) and up the other side to leave at J12. Be very careful, Js11 and 12 are very close together sharing the same entry slip and 11 will lead you astray! Leading onto the N7 through Ponthiery and keep on that road at the right fork in Pringy. Within a km or so after a newish roundabout there is a small mom and pop routier on the right, called KM36 or something, with parking both sides of the road. Pop is in the kitchen but Mom, fierce of face but trim of calf, rushes about serving on tables and at the bar. They are very strict on meal times though so if you are tight for time don’t rely on getting served. Mealtimes in France are midday to 2.30pm and 7pm to 9 or 10. Larger ones can keep going later, but don’t count on it unless you know the place. Otherwise it is just snacks and drinks. Most open about 5 or 6 in the morning for coffee and croissants.

From there continue south on the N7 through the forest of Fontainebleu towards Nemours, picking up the A6 again just before the town. Don’t get drowsy though, the 2nd exit, which may still be un-numbered, signed A77 is the one you want.

I am not suggesting you pull into every resto I give you, it all depends what time you are in the vicinity and ready for a meal or stopover. Thus the next one is on the N7 in Dordives. Leave A77 at J17 towards Montargis and as you enter the town take it easy, not to miss the entry to the parking on the right, just before some lights I think. You could turn at the lights and enter round the back but I think it is a bit tight.You can choose to re-trace your steps to the AR from there or continue south on the N7 but I don’t know if there is a truck ban through Montargis.

Whichever, the next stop is in the fork of the N7 and D940 about 25kms south of Montargis. I have never used this, only seen it, and if you decide on the AR route you need to come off the A77 at J19 and turn back north for 1km. The resto will then be on your right.

You have a choice here, A77 where completed, or N7 to Nevers where after circleing the town continue on the N7 south to Moulin. There is a resto just south of Toulon-sur-Allier on the N7 but it may have been by-passed by now. If you are ready for a break keep your eyes peeled to the left on the by-pass or the right on the old road. Again I don’t have first hand experience of this place.

Whatever you do you need to turn right (west) on the N79 almost immediately and then left (south) on the N9 in 4.5kms. towards Riom & Clermont Ferrand. At Riom get onto the A71 at J13 and by-pass Clermont. Now called the A75 this AR continues south to Issoire where, if you have that gnawing feeling again, a short detour at J14 turning back north for a couple of kms. will take you to an excellent eatery on the right hand side, with loads of parking.

Regain the A75 by-passing St. Flour, to Millau which you now by-pass using the magnificent new bridge, uncharted territory for me so I don’t know if the AR is continuous either side or whether there are still stretches of the N9. I am on my ‘resto map’ at the moment, will edit if necessary after checking my up-to-date version from the car in the morning!
Anyway, A75 all the way to Clermont l’Hérault and N9 to Beziers.

Very late now but tomorrow I’ll do you a comparative kilometrage/time estimate so you can make your own decisions. Remember the mealtimes and think ahead, also that if you want to avoid paying tolls or are ready to eat, the old main roads (not always N roads) where parallel are usually good and still retain their good transport stops. Just keep your eyes peeled for banned sections, you can only traverse those if you know there is a routier ahead.

A couple of tips on routier ‘etiquette’.
If parking up at mealtimes, especially at the busier places, look for the man before abandoning the motor. He will direct you where to park to make sure everyone gets in. Some of these places get chocker.
Once inside, take an aperitif if you want at the bar first, but in any case enquire there if you have to pre-pay or not, then wait at the entrance to the dining room to see if the waiter wants you to sit in a particular place. If in doubt fill partly occupied tables first, especially if they are the long many-seated variety, it’s much more friendly and easier for the waiters to get round everyone, they are often very busy!

Bonne route et bon appé■■■!

Salut, David.

when youve decided the route

follow the link for nosh truckinfo.be/index2.php

Very good advice from Spardo,I think I have stopped in all the resturants he suggested !!!

If you prefer Coffee’s AR route you can still find routier restos by coming off at certain points.
On the N43 at Awoingt just to the east of Cambrai there is one on the right. Trouble is you would have to come off A26 J8, head east on the D939 and go round the town to get to it. Hardly practical for a meal stop but if you are nearing time up a good place to remember.

This was not a regular route for me so I do not have too many marked, the next being about 26kms north of Dijon.
Leave the A31 at J5, take the N74 towards Dijon and the resto is 1km. on the right.

Again a bit out of the way but good for a night stop is the most famous of all with Brit drivers before the Mt. Blanc Tunnel closure, The Bakehouse at St. Cyr sur Menthon. Leave the A6 on the A40 (after J28) towards Mt. Blanc & Italie, leave at the second exit, J3 and drop down to the main road, the N79 turning left. The resto is on the breast of a hill in about 4kms. on the right. Problem with this is, I was in there about 4 years ago and they had weathered the storm of losing the tunnel traffic but the glory days were definitely over, also it is a bit difficult to regain the A6 southbound without running the weight ban in Mâcon. I took the risk making sure I looked confused and no-one turned a hair :confused: . :wink: .

There is a very good one just off to the right of the A46 south of Lyon between Js 13 & 14. It is in an industrial estate and I can thoroughly recommend the food but not my ability to direct you to it. If I was going I would find it by recognising the landmarks. Still, if you have the time to ask but not to carry on it’s worth a go. Get’s very busy as you may imagine.

Between Montéllimar and Orange leave the A7 at J18, turn left on the N7 and there are 2 restos within 2kms. of each other just south of Pierrelatte on the right and a third 6kms. further on just after the D994 which would take you back to the AR at J19. Alternatively continue south on the N7 and regain the AR just north of Orange at J20 in time for you to bear right onto the A9 towards Nîmes. Leave at J23 and head towards Avignon on the N100, the pit stop is in about 6kms. on the left at La Barraquette.

Those are all that I have marked, but as I said earlier, as so often happens in France the old roads run parallel and the old eating places survive because they are good and drivers remember and pass on the knowledge to the next generation. They aren’t full of old fogeys like me :laughing:

Give me a chance to draw breath and I’ll sort you out some times and distances. :wink:

Salut, David.

Calais,paris bordeaux turn off at orleans for clarmont ferrand follow your nose over the new brigde at narbonne head east to beziers easy peasy.

My Autoroute set by me to be on the generous side gives 17 hours driving for both routes, Coffee’s and mine, but to save me some trouble teaching it to get around Paris I allowed it to go via the centre. Also it doesn’t know of the recent upgrading to autoroute of large chunks of my route (Millau for example is connected up completely by ARs) so I reckon mine would be nearer to Coffee’s estimate of 15 hours. Having said that, setting average speeds at 80 for AR and 60 for other out of town routes, it has been remarkably accurate in the past. My route comes out at around 1,142 kms. and Coffee’s at 1,180.

The deviations from both routes which I suggested were mostly small and would not add significantly to the journey, and I do urge you to find the real France by making as much of the old roads as possible. That is not to say travel great distances parallel to a faster route but if you are approaching a mealtime or a necessary overnight stop, try to find a routier. Service areas are for showering at and emergencies. :wink:

Whichever way you choose to do it, come back and let us know how you got on.

Salut, David.

The real france is full of none french trucks mainly eastern european trucks.

Holy moly you guys. I knew I could rely on you for advice, but you’ve outdone yourselves. Thanks for all your tips, especially coffee and spardo for being so in-depth.

well if you are coming from the uk dont go via zeebrugge.

Thanks for that Neil46, but as Coffee said, from Scotland it’s the best route. Rosyth is a half hour from my depot. Driving to Dover would take a day and a half from Edinburgh. So being on the overnight ferry to zeebrugge saves a lot of time.

I am leaving on Sunday the 5th of Feb, so plenty of time to make plans. I have to be in Beziers by the Tuesday evenin, so I should be fine for time. To be honest, am a bit nervous about it, but excited too :smiley:

Once again, thanks for all your advice and I’ll give you a shout if I need anything else.
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Lostpup:
Thanks for that Neil46, but as Coffee said, from Scotland it’s the best route. Rosyth is a half hour from my depot. Driving to Dover would take a day and a half from Edinburgh. So being on the overnight ferry to Zeebrugge saves a lot of time.

A day and a half from Edinburgh :question: :question: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
You are talking about driving it and not walking it :question: :question:
(I’ve only done it once, but I’ve done Dover to Kirkcaldy in 10hrs driving. I pulled into Wisharts yard just as my timer started bleeping. If you’re taking a rest into account, then a day and a half would be about right.)

It would almost certainly be worth looking into the P&O crossing from Hull to Zeebrugge. That gets in a bit earlier than the Superfast, assuming the Superfast makes it on time, so you get parked up at a much more reasonable hour. From our yard near Stirling, its roughly 6hrs 30 to Hull. 30 mins on a disc is still a driving period, so your no worse off doing the 6:30 to Hull.

I’ve only gone by Millau once, and that was long before the viaduct was open, its a spectacular route. On the AR over the mountains each KM post has its height marked on it too. The highest one I remember was at 1157 metres above sea level. That makes the M62s claim to being the highest motorway in England (at 1336 feet, I think) look a bit tame :smiley: . If you’re a biker, you’ll appreciate that AR as well.

The A104 round the East of Paris is a bit disjointed, but not any worse than any other city motorway, just make sure you keep an eye on the signs. Inside that is the A86, that’s a bit easier to follow, but much busier. Inside that is the Outer Peripherique, this is the one with all the “Ports”, just don’t go there. Inside that is the Inner Peripherique, the inner one is the one all the stories are about. In a wagon it’ll give you nightmares for months afterwards, don’t even think about it. These are all peripheriques, because they are all “around the periphery” of various bits of Paris. I have spoken to British drivers telling me about how they went round “The Peripherique” no problem. On closer questioning, they were on the A104 or maybe the A86, those are not really “The Peripherique”, only the inner one is.

All depends on what time of day you go round gay paris,first time I went round )1980 something :cry: )it took ages second time it it took ages third time I went the long way round.Where are3 you going in beziers,depot de la sud?cause there are three exits for beziers.

Simon, you must have been flying to get down to the South coast in ten hours. From my yard to my regular delivery in Dagenham it’s nine hours dead, so Dover from there is gonna be another 2/3 hrs, depending what time you are on the M25. But as we all know, journey times can vary day to day.

Back to the France thing. I am no longer going from Rosyth. The ferries didn’t tie in with the days of travel. Plus my boss has got some plants for me to pick up in Holland on the way back. So it’s the Hull crossing after all. Not sure wether it’s Rotterdam or Zeebrugge though. But as Simon says, it gets into port earlier, which is good as I have to pick up the swimming pool kit in Paris on the way through. I’m told the company I am uplifting from is outside Paris, so I won’t have to venture into the city - phew!

Anyhoo, I have a couple more questions:

  • Can I use my All Star fuel card on the continent? If so should I get it PIN-enabled as mine is a sign on the line card only?

  • What are the payment options for the road tolls?

  • Do I need to pay for of those road tax voucher things if I am sailing into Holland, like you do in Belgium?

Froggy, not sure what’s going on. I am taking my boss’s pick-up in the back of the wagon, will be parking up somewhere, taking pick-up out of trailer, then picking the lads who are doing the job up at Carcassonne airport. So it’s all very complicated. :unamused:

Lost, the vignette is for the Benelux countries… so BElgium, NEtherlands and LUXembourg. I am pretty sure you will need all the paperwork for the car in the back of the truck. and make sure its on the CMR.
Payment options are card or cash… lots of cards taken but not got a list of them all. Know for sure they take Shell, DKV, Visa, M/Card and Eurotraffic.I use Eurotraffic. Some places are happy with signing on the line for fuel and some you have to use the pin so get it enabled if you can use it.

Might of missed it but how you getting across?

froggy:
Might of missed it but how you getting across?

Hull crossing Froggy, cant remember if it is Rotterdam or Zeebrugge. My boss is on holiday this week so can’t ask him. I think it’s Rotterdam because of getting plants in Holland on return leg. (I drive for a plant nursery - incidentally).

Thanks Bear, we thought of the paperwork for the car too. This is probably a stupid question but what is

TheBear:
on the CMR