Rules, regulations, health & safety, left behind

How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission only for it to be left at the depot gate on departure ,

I deliver heating oil & gas oil to homes , farms & other commercial premises, everything is checked , signed off , checked again & again before leaving the yard or refinery , yet you can go to some places where you could probably take in a bucket & chuck it at the tank & that’s the tanks you can get easy access to , some you need to be an acrobat climbing & jumping over all sorts of obstacles , how do some of these places get away with being so unregulated & dangerous places. I’m aiming this at the farming industry mainly, although some home heating oil tanks are in some ridiculous places.

Anybody else have similar things in their line of work?

kemaro:
How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission only for it to be left at the depot gate on departure ,

I deliver heating oil & gas oil to homes , farms & other commercial premises, everything is checked , signed off , checked again & again before leaving the yard or refinery , yet you can go to some places where you could probably take in a bucket & chuck it at the tank & that’s the tanks you can get easy access to , some you need to be an acrobat climbing & jumping over all sorts of obstacles , how do some of these places get away with being so unregulated & dangerous places. I’m aiming this at the farming industry mainly, although some home heating oil tanks are in some ridiculous places.

Anybody else have similar things in their line of work?

There’s a BIG difference in the H&S rules that are a mere arse covering or blame shifting exercise, to the rules that confirm & set the standard to how the job should be done.

I work for a builders merchant, my Boss thinks that every delivery is done in the middle of an empty carpark & the customer is happy to have it placed anywhere within easy reach around my lorry :smiley: . Bless him, for he knows not what reality really is.

I am an athlete, a gymnast, a weightlifter, a juggler, a contortionist, a fortune teller as well as an agony aunt.

In fact, I may as well work in bloody Circus :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

The OP made me think pof a friend of mine who’s had some building work done recently. Her heater tank has been disconnected and she’s currently running her central heating off a plastic dustbin full of heating oil with a pipe stuck in the top. :laughing:

Chas:

kemaro:
How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission only for it to be left at the depot gate on departure ,

I deliver heating oil & gas oil to homes , farms & other commercial premises, everything is checked , signed off , checked again & again before leaving the yard or refinery , yet you can go to some places where you could probably take in a bucket & chuck it at the tank & that’s the tanks you can get easy access to , some you need to be an acrobat climbing & jumping over all sorts of obstacles , how do some of these places get away with being so unregulated & dangerous places. I’m aiming this at the farming industry mainly, although some home heating oil tanks are in some ridiculous places.

Anybody else have similar things in their line of work?

There’s a BIG difference in the H&S rules that are a mere arse covering or blame shifting exercise, to the rules that confirm & set the standard to how the job should be done.

I work for a builders merchant, my Boss thinks that every delivery is done in the middle of an empty carpark & the customer is happy to have it placed anywhere within easy reach around my lorry :smiley: . Bless him, for he knows not what reality really is.

I am an athlete, a gymnast, a weightlifter, a juggler, a contortionist, a fortune teller as well as an agony aunt.

In fact, I may as well work in bloody Circus :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I thought you were a captain of industry chas

Chas:
There’s a BIG difference in the H&S rules that are a mere arse covering or blame shifting exercise, to the rules that confirm & set the standard to how the job should be done.

I work for a builders merchant, my Boss thinks that every delivery is done in the middle of an empty carpark & the customer is happy to have it placed anywhere within easy reach around my lorry :smiley: . Bless him, for he knows not what reality really is.

I am an athlete, a gymnast, a weightlifter, a juggler, a contortionist, a fortune teller as well as an agony aunt.

In fact, I may as well work in bloody Circus :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

By which I presume that you mean, the office is full of clowns? :wink:

kemaro:
How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission only for it to be left at the depot gate on departure ,

I deliver heating oil & gas oil to homes , farms & other commercial premises, everything is checked , signed off , checked again & again before leaving the yard or refinery , yet you can go to some places where you could probably take in a bucket & chuck it at the tank & that’s the tanks you can get easy access to , some you need to be an acrobat climbing & jumping over all sorts of obstacles , how do some of these places get away with being so unregulated & dangerous places. I’m aiming this at the farming industry mainly, although some home heating oil tanks are in some ridiculous places.

Anybody else have similar things in their line of work?

Think ‘armour plated umbrella’ because I dare say your boss is.

In many ways, the whole H&S ‘thing’ is about blame. Or more accurately, not being to blame!

It sounds like everything is in place at your depot so the chances are you will have been told about “your safety and the safety of others around you”. If you do something that is unsafe (such as climbing and jumping …) most likely your company/boss will be in the clear because he has told you about operating safely; the fact that you ignored that at a clients premises puts the blame (mostly) on you and off him! If you were to highlight (in writing I’d suggest) the ‘dangers’ of carrying out your job, then to a certain extent you have put the ‘blame’ back to him & he is now the one that is taking the risk if he fails to act on your concerns. He might then issue you with a new set of Safe Systems of Work that will probably make your job more difficult but safer. He has now taken action to reduce the risk and consequently the ‘blame’. If you chose to ignore this new Safe System of Work because it is a PITA, the ‘blame’ (in the event of an accident/incident) has now just moved back in your direction!

At some point, the responsible person (manager/boss/company) has to decide what is ‘reasonably practicable’ because that is what H&S expects. There isn’t a law for every situation, in fact H&S legislation is one of the shortest/simplest pieces of legislation, in-so-much-as it just states that employers and employees are responsible for the safety of themselves, their workforce and those around them, and are to operate as safely as reasonably practicable. What is actually ‘reasonable practicable’ is a matter for HSE and/or a ‘judge & jury’ once the ■■■■ has hit the fan! It’s also why some H&S manager types go ridiculously OTT because there is no actual rules per job/site/role/industry, the responsible person who makes the call just has to be able to justify their decisions. Rather than find themselves in that position, they just go OTT with their safe systems of work, site rules, etc, etc.

If you think the above sounds like a load of tosh, you want to try looking into Corporate Manslaughter!! :unamused:

kemaro:
How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission only for it to be left at the depot gate on departure ,

I deliver heating oil & gas oil to homes , farms & other commercial premises, everything is checked , signed off , checked again & again before leaving the yard or refinery , yet you can go to some places where you could probably take in a bucket & chuck it at the tank & that’s the tanks you can get easy access to , some you need to be an acrobat climbing & jumping over all sorts of obstacles , how do some of these places get away with being so unregulated & dangerous places. I’m aiming this at the farming industry mainly, although some home heating oil tanks are in some ridiculous places.

Anybody else have similar things in their line of work?

just being nosey kemaro. which refinery do you leave :question:

Not left behind, but when you get there. I deliver blocks to a certain builders merchant. To get on to the bed to roll the nets, I have to have Steel cap boots, High vis and a hard hat. When I asked about another driver, on the back of his 7.5 without any of this, I was told “He is a customer”.

kemaro:
How many of us , I’m guessing it will probably be pretty much all, work in a heavily regulated industry with all the rules , regulations, health & safety & training of a space mission…

Actually, I do work in the space industry!
Our product regulations are so strict it’s is unbelievable, (and can cost money with lots of zeros) but you can’t get the AA/RAC to fix it once it’s launched, so we have to be sure, many times over.
But the 'Elf and Snifty in the factory… Safety boots? No, Hi-Vis loading/unloading? No, Paths cleared in the snow? No. Neat and tidy work areas? Cramped and access hard at times.
For my opinion, truckers do have a difficult time with the 'Elf and Safety aspect.
Cheers
Paul

PS My heating oil tank is easy to get to, just mind the dogs!

SWEDISH BLUE:
“He is a customer”.

I encountered this when driving quarry plant. Encouraged to shop colleagues but customers could just act silly with nowt said.

Muckaway:

SWEDISH BLUE:
“He is a customer”.

I encountered this when driving quarry plant. Encouraged to shop colleagues but customers could just act silly with nowt said.

Used to do hone delivery stuff at a supermarket. We had a corner of the car park to load the vans, but this doubled as the loading bay for the wagons so the vans had to be put at the top end of the car park, out of the way, overnight.

Came in one morning (while the health and safety assessors were in, which we had no idea about) and we went and shifted the vans to the loading bay. Apparently we were being watched by the H&S mob and our department got a bollocking because we had walked across the car park without hi vis.