Lawrence ,
yes us !kaki, handed people are very different indeed, when it comes to any thing connected to rope work ,I found that out at sea tying bowlines, putting turn,around cleats, or bollards, .and yes the dolly s on the lorries tying knots, I only can do left handed!, even splicing is different, until fridge work gave me a new CLEAN hands journey to go on…,however flicking the dolly s out was as quick as any . I am not a 100% leftie ,luckly I DO NOT NEED THE LEFT HANDED CHEQUE BOOK[ yes true] i am ampedextrius[ not in my dictionary… [yes I know you can get tablets for it ] i am able, and I did , use a lump hammer and coal chisel in either hand also use a hand saw in either hand…to match anyone
and I loved DRIVING left handed drive trucks over here and in EUROPE…Bowkers…sorry of topic [time on my hands]
deckboypeggy:
Lawrence ,
yes us !kaki, handed people are very different indeed, when it comes to any thing connected to rope work ,I found that out at sea tying bowlines, putting turn,around cleats, or bollards, .and yes the dolly s on the lorries tying knots, I only can do left handed!, even splicing is different, until fridge work gave me a new CLEAN hands journey to go on…,however flicking the dolly s out was as quick as any . I am not a 100% leftie ,luckly I DO NOT NEED THE LEFT HANDED CHEQUE BOOK[ yes true] i am ampedextrius[ not in my dictionary… [yes I know you can get tablets for it ] i am able, and I did , use a lump hammer and coal chisel in either hand also use a hand saw in either hand…to match anyone
and I loved DRIVING left handed drive trucks over here and in EUROPE…Bowkers…sorry of topic [time on my hands]
My youngest son Nigel is left handed, And I taught him to put hitches in I stood behind him & put a hitch in so he could see what I was doing, He had several attempts then he got the hang of it, It was the same thing when he wanted to learn how to put a Windsor Knot in his ties, It worked very well Im pleased to say, Regards Larry.
We had one driver at Bewick Transport who put on left handed hitches and they were a ■■■■■■■ nightmare to twist off! As for gloves, waste of ■■■■■■■ time, take you twice as along to rope up but I can still “feel” the salt in the cuts and segs on my hands, stung summat terrible in frosty weather eh! And as for all this VOSA ■■■■■ about not using ropes and hooks, what a load of bollox,I can honestly say we never had any problem with the hundreds of Polypropolyne ropes we used on our many flats, fair do’s they did wear a bit over time but we used to cull them periodically but we never lost a load because of worn and dodgy ropes. But it is a different world now in the game us 'old 'uns grew up in when more-or-less everything had to be shipped on flats eh! Cheers Dennis.
Now your talking “Windsor knot” I have done them since I remember,i see my own lads all nearly 50s, still do not do a tie up propyl’s, hope your lad is left footed and bats left handed…
when I play BADMINGTON ,YES I DO ,I can switch left to right ,that f–ks the opposition up total.
however when I left school 1959 my writing was like a spider had been all over the paper. especial when we had the old ink, as you wrote your hand just took it all off the paper ,did they give a monkeys ,No… however 2of my sons write really nice left handed but they hold their fingers like a claw. this is my best the key board…
when I done my day skipper course 10 days ,[the first day]the instructor said to me and others ,boasting ,when you can tie a bowline behind your back you need no instruction, he gave us all a length of rope and straight away, I said do you mean like that. that sealed my fate…
deckboypeggy:
when I done my day skipper course 10 days ,[the first day]the instructor said to me and others ,boasting ,when you can tie a bowline behind your back you need no instruction, he gave us all a length of rope and straight away, I said do you mean like that. that sealed my fate…
Nice one Vic,
They don’t like it up 'em…
John
deckboypeggy:
Now your talking “Windsor knot” I have done them since I remember,i see my own lads all nearly 50s, still do not do a tie up propyl’s, hope your lad is left footed and bats left handed…
when I play BADMINGTON ,YES I DO ,I can switch left to right ,that f–ks the opposition up total.
however when I left school 1959 my writing was like a spider had been all over the paper. especial when we had the old ink, as you wrote your hand just took it all off the paper ,did they give a monkeys ,No… however 2of my sons write really nice left handed but they hold their fingers like a claw. this is my best the key board…when I done my day skipper course 10 days ,[the first day]the instructor said to me and others ,boasting ,when you can tie a bowline behind your back you need no instruction, he gave us all a length of rope and straight away, I said do you mean like that. that sealed my fate…
Evening all, Well I would never ever claim to be the best at Roping and sheeting…(being of modest build, a high wind and a big sheet used to generate some mirth in the assembled crowd)…but having laughed at/with you, then there were plenty of willing hands to help one out!!
Now my maternal Grandfther was a Canal Boatman back in the Victorian and Edwardian days, and he tought me some fancy knots, (when sitting by the light of his oil lamp, he would fashion a" Turks Head", (the snubber, as we called it from the stern of the narrow boat), from a piece of string…then with one pull…it was gone and a piece of string remained!
So I learned some fancy knots, (but I was no expert…but nothing ever fell off)…thank goodness…(was it luck)■■
But when I was in the USA working with our new partner Mack, I saw that their method of using a sheet, (a big shiney plastic thing), was to throw straps over it, and tension them down with the trailer mounted ratchets…very ugly to look at…but easy to do!
At Allentown, (The World Truck Capitol)!!! in the glitzy offices, surrounded by blue and gold carpet, with wall to wall Bulldog prints I felt a little home sick…So one lunchtime I was quietly playing with a piece of string, when one of the secretaries said…" hey, d`you have Rodeo in England, with the ropes"?..so I began to explain how “we” held our loads on our lorries…gradually, over a few weeks, my little roping courses, (and please remember, truly, I am no expert), with string, then twine, became more popular…until I was able to show, then instruct my interested friends(and many were those cute, bob haired),it was 1980s …long,…oh so long legged secretaries in how to rope and sheet an imaginary load…(piles of files and books), along my desk , using my improvised rope hooks…(good job Mack still used wooden desks in its sales offices)…became quite a lunchtime activity…
Then I was dispatched to dear old Irving Boulevard, Dallas, Texas…but the news of my roping courses followed me…so behind my desk…I had a large framed print of one of Ian Pollocks, (Pollock Transports), TR305s, with a wonderfully sheeted load of Whisky Barrels…and the Texans marvelled at it…because it was a 4x2 tractor…and because of the art employed by that anonemous Pollock driver…if I only had a pound for each demonstration Dolly that I did in the USA… and they never ever got the hang of them…even at the Rodeo in Mesquite!
Happy days, happy memories…but not of tying down a sheet on a windy, icy Cardiff dock side…and a long way home in an old worn FG Foden!!!
Cheerio for now.
Bewick:
We had one driver at Bewick Transport who put on left handed hitches and they were a [zb] nightmare to twist off! As for gloves, waste of [zb] time, take you twice as along to rope up but I can still “feel” the salt in the cuts and segs on my hands, stung summat terrible in frosty weather eh! And as for all this VOSA [zb] about not using ropes and hooks, what a load of bollox,I can honestly say we never had any problem with the hundreds of Polypropolyne ropes we used on our many flats, fair do’s they did wear a bit over time but we used to cull them periodically but we never lost a load because of worn and dodgy ropes. But it is a different world now in the game us 'old 'uns grew up in when more-or-less everything had to be shipped on flats eh! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick does left handed mean in the sense that the dollies heads are done with the left hand all facing backwards on the nearside and forwards on the offside with the neck and twist done with the right hand and turned anti clockwise ?. 
Because I’m hopelessly left handed and that’s how I’m sure I did them and had no trouble undoing them.I also used to lock the ends at the hooks with my left hand also probably the wrong way round for you cack handed lot. 
As for gloves having had to apply the control needed for gas welding with a thin piece of rod and a gas torch while wearing welding gloves,tying dollies while wearing them was easy.While without them I’d have probably ended up in hospital needing skin grafts. 
As for VOSA the info seems to say that they don’t mind rope hooks being used for roping just not for straps or chains. 
Carryfast, When a leftie like me, ties a dolly ,for a truck ,your right hand stays still on the rope and all the movement ,twisting, is done with the left hand . you just slide your right hand down the rope as the knot grows …
Saviem. very interesting, how on earth did they manage to Sucre loads ,?yes you would imagine trying to teach Americans something simple would have been easy , i watch a lot of the outdoor homesteaders, on television. gold mining, that type of program ,yes they are a hardy bunch but when it comes to do simple ,securing anything on sledges ,rafts, general tying down absolutely useless . so yes, I bet your roping knowledge did you proud…
The rope construction on your GRANDFATHERS BARGE, is still basically the same ,called a fender. many ways to make one .If the rope is long enough you can go on forever…DO I MISS ■■■■■■■ WET 8 panel SHEETS AROUND, ON YOUR OWN. no.
deckboypeggy:
Carryfast, When a leftie like me, ties a dolly ,for a truck ,your right hand stays still on the rope and all the movement ,twisting, is done with the left hand
If I’ve read it right I’m confused by making the neck loop and the twist with the same hand you use to hold the head loop. IE pinch the rope together with the left hand to make the head loop then lift it to the left against the rope held by the right hand with the loop/head facing to the right then wind the rope around the head to make the neck and the twist to lock it and make the pulley loop using the same right hand.Either that or I’m ambidextrous without knowing it and made a dolly using two hands when I should only have been using one. Or I’ve forgotten how to tie a dolly.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
We had one driver at Bewick Transport who put on left handed hitches and they were a [zb] nightmare to twist off! As for gloves, waste of [zb] time, take you twice as along to rope up but I can still “feel” the salt in the cuts and segs on my hands, stung summat terrible in frosty weather eh! And as for all this VOSA [zb] about not using ropes and hooks, what a load of bollox,I can honestly say we never had any problem with the hundreds of Polypropolyne ropes we used on our many flats, fair do’s they did wear a bit over time but we used to cull them periodically but we never lost a load because of worn and dodgy ropes. But it is a different world now in the game us 'old 'uns grew up in when more-or-less everything had to be shipped on flats eh! Cheers Dennis.Bewick does left handed mean in the sense that the dollies heads are done with the left hand all facing backwards on the nearside and forwards on the offside with the neck and twist done with the right hand and turned anti clockwise ?.
As for gloves having had to apply the control needed for gas welding with a thin piece of rod and a gas torch while wearing welding gloves,tying dollies while wearing them was easy.While without them I’d have probably ended up in hospital needing skin grafts.
As for VOSA the info seems to say that they don’t mind rope hooks being used for roping just not for straps or chains.
All I can tell you “CF” is a left handed hitch (or dollie as you call it) is a ■■■■■■■ pain to undo if you are righthanded ! And as for you wearing welding gloves to use ropes don’t give me that bollox, what were you sheeting a Datsun pick-up ? Try sheeting and roping ten or twelve 40 footers in a day wearing welding gloves, I’d have you out of the gate PDQ as you would have only got about two trailers done in a full day and they would be ■■■■■ and I’d have to come out of my warm office to re-do them eh! ! 
You soft ■■■■ ! Cheers Bewick.
Well I haven’t a clue how to tie a dolly, never needed to learn as I had body sides to keep stuff safe and secure, and even nowadays I still can’t fasten a tie properly which is why I never wear one.! Tried many a time, I just can’t do it though. Knots and my hands are totally alien objects it appears, and now I have arthritic fingures I aint going to try and learn now. However I do admire those who can do it all easily.
Pete.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
We had one driver at Bewick Transport who put on left handed hitches and they were a [zb] nightmare to twist off! As for gloves, waste of [zb] time, take you twice as along to rope up but I can still “feel” the salt in the cuts and segs on my hands, stung summat terrible in frosty weather eh! And as for all this VOSA [zb] about not using ropes and hooks, what a load of bollox,I can honestly say we never had any problem with the hundreds of Polypropolyne ropes we used on our many flats, fair do’s they did wear a bit over time but we used to cull them periodically but we never lost a load because of worn and dodgy ropes. But it is a different world now in the game us 'old 'uns grew up in when more-or-less everything had to be shipped on flats eh! Cheers Dennis.Bewick does left handed mean in the sense that the dollies heads are done with the left hand all facing backwards on the nearside and forwards on the offside with the neck and twist done with the right hand and turned anti clockwise ?.
As for gloves having had to apply the control needed for gas welding with a thin piece of rod and a gas torch while wearing welding gloves,tying dollies while wearing them was easy.While without them I’d have probably ended up in hospital needing skin grafts.
As for VOSA the info seems to say that they don’t mind rope hooks being used for roping just not for straps or chains.
All I can tell you “CF” is a left handed hitch (or dollie as you call it) is a [zb] pain to undo if you are righthanded ! And as for you wearing welding gloves to use ropes don’t give me that bollox, what were you sheeting a Datsun pick-up ? Try sheeting and roping ten or twelve 40 footers in a day wearing welding gloves, I’d have you out of the gate PDQ as you would have only got about two trailers done in a full day and they would be [zb] and I’d have to come out of my warm office to re-do them eh! !
I could never rope n sheet with gloves on , the finger of the gloves would end up getting trapped in the ropes but i will admit to using gloves to take em off , thats probably why ive got gout and arthritis in my fingers . Wet gloves going on the dash to dry out and fingers soaked and stiff as a bone , which idiot invented curtainsiders … should be knighted
windrush:
Well I haven’t a clue how to tie a dolly, never needed to learn as I had body sides to keep stuff safe and secure, and even nowadays I still can’t fasten a tie properly which is why I never wear one.!Pete.
ramone:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
We had one driver at Bewick Transport who put on left handed hitches and they were a [zb] nightmare to twist off! As for gloves, waste of [zb] time, take you twice as along to rope up but I can still “feel” the salt in the cuts and segs on my hands, stung summat terrible in frosty weather eh! And as for all this VOSA [zb] about not using ropes and hooks, what a load of bollox,I can honestly say we never had any problem with the hundreds of Polypropolyne ropes we used on our many flats, fair do’s they did wear a bit over time but we used to cull them periodically but we never lost a load because of worn and dodgy ropes. But it is a different world now in the game us 'old 'uns grew up in when more-or-less everything had to be shipped on flats eh! Cheers Dennis.Bewick does left handed mean in the sense that the dollies heads are done with the left hand all facing backwards on the nearside and forwards on the offside with the neck and twist done with the right hand and turned anti clockwise ?.
As for gloves having had to apply the control needed for gas welding with a thin piece of rod and a gas torch while wearing welding gloves,tying dollies while wearing them was easy.While without them I’d have probably ended up in hospital needing skin grafts.
As for VOSA the info seems to say that they don’t mind rope hooks being used for roping just not for straps or chains.
All I can tell you “CF” is a left handed hitch (or dollie as you call it) is a [zb] pain to undo if you are righthanded ! And as for you wearing welding gloves to use ropes don’t give me that bollox, what were you sheeting a Datsun pick-up ? Try sheeting and roping ten or twelve 40 footers in a day wearing welding gloves, I’d have you out of the gate PDQ as you would have only got about two trailers done in a full day and they would be [zb] and I’d have to come out of my warm office to re-do them eh! !
I could never rope n sheet with gloves on , the finger of the gloves would end up getting trapped in the ropes but i will admit to using gloves to take
em off , thats probably why ive got gout and arthritis in my fingers . Wet gloves going on the dash to dry out and fingers soaked and stiff as a bone , which idiot invented curtainsiders … should be knighted
“Bottler”
I give up.!! honest, carrfast what a wind up merchant you are. for fu–s sake how- ever did you get to where ever you are -or where, The rope iS SLACK. YOU ARE WHERE THE HOOK IS THAT YOU WANT… YOU LIFT YOUR ARM UP,PINCH IT right hand WHERE YOU WANT THE LITTLE LOOP[ THE ROPE] THENPULL DOWN THE ROPE, to get THE ROPE TIGHT, ABOUT SHOULDER HEIGHT,THEN USE YOU LEFT HAND AND DO THE DOLLY or best, just f—k off and let someone else do it. lol.
Bewick:
All I can tell you “CF” is a left handed hitch (or dollie as you call it) is a [zb] pain to undo if you are righthanded ! And as for you wearing welding gloves to use ropes don’t give me that bollox, what were you sheeting a Datsun pick-up ? Try sheeting and roping ten or twelve 40 footers in a day wearing welding gloves, I’d have you out of the gate PDQ as you would have only got about two trailers done in a full day and they would be [zb] and I’d have to come out of my warm office to re-do them eh! !
Blimey Bewick dbp says I’m on a wind up.It doesn’t matter whether a dolly is tied by a left hander like me or a right hander the thing just falls apart beck to a straight piece of rope when all the tension on it is released and the rope that was pulling against it at the hook is pulled back through it and away from it.
You should stay in your office because I’ll have made up all time I’ve supposedly lost using gloves when I take all the ropes off when I tip it.
Hiya,
I did a spell doing Lancashire flats from Preston to anywhere in the UK, when lifted
onto your trailer they always had to be re-sheeted and re-roped they were always
like a sack of ■■■■ ■■■■■■■ any old way usually brand new hemp rope all one length
and fastened with what I can only describe as an Irish dolly impossible to undo and
a “rope spanner” was always a must, although the return flat was always properly
“done” for it’s return I did always make sure they had plenty of knots to contend
with, well they do say an eye for an eye.
thanks harry, long retired
deckboypeggy:
I give up.!! honest, carrfast what a wind up merchant you are. for fu–s sake how- ever did you get to where ever you are -or where, The rope iS SLACK. YOU ARE WHERE THE HOOK IS THAT YOU WANT… YOU LIFT YOUR ARM UP,PINCH IT right hand WHERE YOU WANT THE LITTLE LOOP[ THE ROPE] THENPULL DOWN THE ROPE, to get THE ROPE TIGHT, ABOUT SHOULDER HEIGHT,THEN USE YOU LEFT HAND AND DO THE DOLLY or best, just f—k off and let someone else do it. lol.
I still don’t get it.How do you hold the loop that makes the head of the dolly with the same hand that you use to wind the rope around its neck.IE it takes two hands to tie a dolly the only difference being which one you use to hold the loop which makes the head and which one you use to wind around the base of that loop to make the neck which then carries on to make the twist which locks the neck and makes the loop which produces the pulley.The end result just being that you transpose which hands are used to make the dolly.Which puts the head facing the opposite direction.
Bearing in mind that I don’t recognise the method used to tie a dolly in the Australian video.
harry_gill:
they were always
like a sack of [zb] ■■■■■■■ any old way usually brand new hemp rope all one length
and fastened with what I can only describe as an Irish dolly impossible to undo
Maybe that’s what Bewick is describing Harry.I’ve never heard of a dolly that won’t just fall apart when the tension is taken from it and the rope pulled back through it.
Great picture dennis Proper job that
What year ■■?
Cheers MIke
Bewick:
windrush:
Well I haven’t a clue how to tie a dolly, never needed to learn as I had body sides to keep stuff safe and secure, and even nowadays I still can’t fasten a tie properly which is why I never wear one.!Pete.