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That wide spread bogie brings back some memories, Buzzer. We had them before tris were legal. Under the old 'bridge fomula" a 9’1" or 10’1" spread increased payload, I dont recall the numbers.
At truck highway speeds back then, the 10/1 spread was just the right distance to flick up nails etc, with the front axle, for the back axle to pick up. The old 9.00x20 rags were a lot less puncture resistant than modern tyres. The soloution was to fit a sweeper in front of the last axle. The sweeper was like a mudflap bracket, but only six inches above the road surface and holding bristles instead of rubber. They largely knocked down the offending foreign object, so the sharp bit wasn’t aimed directly at the tread (or lack of, back then).
Buntine first double Deckers had spread bogie I remember being fascinated when following one on the bitumen and how they lifted off the road as there truck moved on and off the camber.
Dig
They could be a bugger to reverse across a road too, for the same reason, as the camber changed, so did the pivot point.
Yes Buzzer and no restraints on any of the bags other than the front two and the rear two the rest the tarp.
We used to rely on the tarp too but here in WA the powers that be decided we had to fit side gates and when it was discovered that the bags chaffed on the gates on dirt roads and the bags were a little light at the delivery so then we had to buy sheets of ply to stand between the bags and gates it was about that time I went back to the oil patch freight no where as many problems.
Yes Buzzer and no restraints on any of the bags other than the front two and the rear two the rest the tarp.
We used to rely on the tarp too but here in WA the powers that be decided we had to fit side gates and when it was discovered that the bags chaffed on the gates on dirt roads and the bags were a little light at the delivery so then we had to buy sheets of ply to stand between the bags and gates it was about that time I went back to the oil patch freight no where as many problems.
Dig
Yes, all I would add though is that I would have had the sheet over the front and down of the front bags, to guard against the ballooning effect of the slipstream.
I used to load 1 tonne bags out of Seaham Harbour for Team Valley into a Tautliner and there was nothing inside to hold them, they never moved, yet when the same things are put on a flat people wet their knickers unless they are roped and sheeted within an inch of their life, that load does not only have a strap over the front but roped every bag if you look closer. Franky.
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Looks like the strap’s over the front of the tarp, David.
Yes, I know, my issue was not with the straps, imo they were perfectly adequate, but with the fact that the sheet was open at the front and under the pressure of motion, the wind could get inside and down the full length. I was always taught never to have an open sheet facing forward, though I admit that that was more relevant in the days of ropes because the ballooning could loosen them further back, than with straps which were less susceptible to that.
To Geordielad. I know what you mean about curtainsiders and flats, but I think if you were checked with an unsecured load inside one would you not be treated by the Ministry in the same way as you would with it open for all the world to see on a flat?
I remember just after I retired here and playing petanque with my mates seeing a succession of flat trailers passing by with giant rocks on, only 2 to a full load, and completely unsecured. I expressed surprise at the confidence (and illegality) of it and one of my friends, who was not a driver and knew nothing about the subject, saying ‘they’ll never move’. Maybe not I said, under normal circumstances, but who can predict what extreme braking or swerving will do.
Back in the early 80’s when we were doing traction out of Portsmouth docks of SCAC trailers a considerable amount came over with ATO chem pallets of plastic granules on pallets, although shrunk wrapped roped we always put two straps over the rear most pallets and one over the front just for piece of mind when thundering up the road to Manchester and the like, it only took 10 minutes to do but was well worth it.
Spardo replied; To Geordielad. I know what you mean about curtainsiders and flats, but I think if you were checked with an unsecured load inside one would you not be treated by the Ministry in the same way as you would with it open for all the world to see on a flat?
Well when I drove for Fergusons of Blyth the Tautliners we had didn’t have any straps inside, because a lot of traffic was Paper Reels, chocked and back scotched as normal. So when loading anything else and the driver felt a strap was needed his own were used but it was quite normal to carry palleted soft drinks, drums and other goods as they were put on the bed and close the curtains. True looking at the same thing on a flat wouldn’t give the same sense of security but again most loads would only be roped and sheeted to prevent weather damage not so much to secure. Not sure what it’s like today I’ve heard all sorts of things now regarding load security, it seems most drivers today are terrified of chains and tensioners (Warricks as we called them) but we never had any problems from the Ministry checks with free standing goods in a tautliner. Mostly I believe it depends on the driver’s experience and awareness of what he’s carrying when it comes to load security, I worked with one lad that roped every hook no matter what he had under the sheets, it was just how he did the job. Franky.
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That wide spread bogie brings back some memories, Buzzer. We had them before tris were legal. Under the old 'bridge fomula" a 9’1" or 10’1" spread increased payload, I dont recall the numbers.
At truck highway speeds back then, the 10/1 spread was just the right distance to flick up nails etc, with the front axle, for the back axle to pick up. The old 9.00x20 rags were a lot less puncture resistant than modern tyres. The soloution was to fit a sweeper in front of the last axle. The sweeper was like a mudflap bracket, but only six inches above the road surface and holding bristles instead of rubber. They largely knocked down the offending foreign object, so the sharp bit wasn’t aimed directly at the tread (or lack of, back then).
At the time of posting, I searched all the double ewes, to no avail, for a picture of the said sleeper. This morning I stumbled upon one, in my own gallery.
…. I’m going back to the late 60s / early 70s here by the way .
It was commonplace back then to witness flatbed 40 footers heading southbound on the M6 loaded with unsecured rocks of various dimensions . I’ve always been under the impression that they were destined for the sea barrier at Seaforth dock in Liverpool , although I could be proven wrong.
My few remaining memory cells resolutely insist in informing me that Chris Miller from Preston was involved in this project , which went on for month after month .
I have no idea from where these giant lumps of rock were procured . Somewhere in ■■■■■■■ I should imagine .
There must be posters on this forum , both older and better informed than I am that may possibly be able to elaborate .
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I remember just after I retired here and playing petanque with my mates seeing a succession of flat trailers passing by with giant rocks on, only 2 to a full load, and completely unsecured .
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…. I’m going back to the late 60s / early 70s here by the way .
It was commonplace back then to witness flatbed 40 footers heading southbound on the M6 loaded with unsecured rocks of various dimensions . I’ve always been under the impression that they were destined for the sea barrier at Seaforth dock in Liverpool , although I could be proven wrong.
My few remaining memory cells resolutely insist in informing me that Chris Miller from Preston was involved in this project , which went on for month after month .
I have no idea from where these giant lumps of rock were procured . Somewhere in ■■■■■■■ I should imagine .
There must be posters on this forum , both older and better informed than I am that may possibly be able to elaborate .
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IIRC the big lumps of stone that were shipped to Liverpool and to other places on the Lancashire coast for sea wall building came from about three Quarries in the Carnforth area which were Wimpey’s Leapers Wood , and Boddy Industries ( now Agg Industry’s) Holme Park and Back Lane quarries
