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DIG:
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A decent load for a bogie, Dig, 22~23 ton.Yer Mate but where they were going wasn’t a great deal of gazetted roads ,
Dig
It was just a comment mate, no judgement, glass houses an’ all that.
None taken mate my comment more for the lads that dont know how we used to operate this side of the planet.All changed now.
Dig
Spardo:
Buzzer:
BuzzerVERY NEAT ROPING
Indeed. Aren’t they all individual ropes, Aussie style, again?
Mate we aren’t strong enough to throw 90 feet of rope over a load half dozen times. 
DIG:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
BuzzerVERY NEAT ROPING
Indeed. Aren’t they all individual ropes, Aussie style, again?
Mate we aren’t strong enough to throw 90 feet of rope over a load half dozen times.
You don’t throw all 90 feet over everytime, and we don’t throw 36 foot over every single time either because half of it is left for the return.
Buzzer:
Thanks 5thW, Buzzer
Nice looking set up Buzzer
A few bulges in the top of the tarp SDU, what do you reckon maybe some real freight.
Dig
Spardo:
DIG:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
BuzzerVERY NEAT ROPING
Indeed. Aren’t they all individual ropes, Aussie style, again?
Mate we aren’t strong enough to throw 90 feet of rope over a load half dozen times.
You don’t throw all 90 feet over everytime, and we don’t throw 36 foot over every single time either because half of it is left for the return.
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOL 
Dig
DIG:
Buzzer:
Thanks 5thW, BuzzerNice looking set up Buzzer
A few bulges in the top of the tarp SDU, what do you reckon maybe some real freight.
Dig
All looks a bit pristine mate, the tops of the gates can be seen and the bulges could be the spreader bars. Whatever, it’s well presented.
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose. 
Spardo:
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose.
We don’t, or didn’t, need to join ropes. Each rope was 8~9 metres long, enough to go over the highest load and tie off.
For less than the full height loading, tie the hitch(s) higher. If there is still excess rope, coil and tie it, as we now do with straps, or use it up on the tie rail. Not something that can be done with hooks.
Spardo:
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose.
David you and I have locked horns more than once on the merits and faults of our different ways to rope and sheet the good part about it is we are still mates that had our different ways to do the job successfully. 
Dig
Many years ago, when I was learning my craft, I used to deliver empty containers, from five to two hundred litres, made by Rheem, with a 510 Acco.
My cohort was an elderly gent, winding down to retirement. He watched me tie off on the left side and hitch on the right. He then asked why I did it that way. My reply was because I was pulling against the camber of the road.
He always tied off on the right, explaining that if he needed to retention en route, he was not standing in the traffic. My way was approved by him, as I had a valid reason. As he said to me all those years ago, there are many ways to achieve the same thing, and none of them are wrong.
Star down under.:
Spardo:
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose.
We don’t, or didn’t, need to join ropes. Each rope was 8~9 metres long, enough to go over the highest load and tie off.
For less than the full height loading, tie the hitch(s) higher. If there is still excess rope, coil and tie it, as we now do with straps, or use it up on the tie rail. Not something that can be done with hooks.
True, I knew there was one drawback.
DIG:
Spardo:
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose.
David you and I have locked horns more than once on the merits and faults of our different ways to rope and sheet the good part about it is we are still mates that had our different ways to do the job successfully.
Dig
Indeed we have Dig, I did reply to SDU in partial agreement but it has disappeared, obviously not tied down properly, the first time in a 60 odd year career that something has fallen off. I saw the odd trailer roped the Aussie way at Buntine’s, but never was called on to do it myself.
Spardo:
DIG:
Spardo:
DIG:
Do I detect a note of sarcasm David … LOLDig
Possibly a note mate, yes, but revealing a hidden truth. Less walking back and forth I reckon, unless you throw every single piece of rope from every single hook first and hope you are accurate enough to get them all in the correct position before walking round and dollying them all up. Is that how you would do it? I’ll grant that that is less walking around but it does depend on having multiple pieces of rope of exactly the right length. My experience of R & S in England was, from the start of my career in general, rather than in precise same cargo, haulage, was where one load could be massively different in height, width and shape from the next. Having one rope which could start at the beginning and follow naturally to the end before starting, or joining, another, seems more advantageous to me than having lots of little bits that frequently needed joining or disconnecting each time.
Each to his own though I suppose.
David you and I have locked horns more than once on the merits and faults of our different ways to rope and sheet the good part about it is we are still mates that had our different ways to do the job successfully.
Dig
Indeed we have Dig, I did reply to SDU in partial agreement but it has disappeared, obviously not tied down properly, the first time in a 60 odd year career that something has fallen off.
Yeah, roping cattle has always been hard work.
Indeed we have Dig, I did reply to SDU in partial agreement but it has disappeared, obviously not tied down properly, the first time in a 60 odd year career that something has fallen off. I saw the odd trailer roped the Aussie way at Buntine’s, but never was called on to do it myself.
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Funny enough SDU when i was in the livestock cartage industry I carried probably half dozen short ropes that were there to head rope usually bulls to the side bows of the crates,I would say that 90% of the cattle carted had been yarded then drafted into seperate numbers of market cattle and were loaded in their usual 3 genders Bulls Bullock/OX and females,If unlucky enough to load mixed gender the Bulls would usually be trying to root the the other cattle or knock them down generally a real handful of trouble so I would usually rope them with the help of station hands to get them tied off early in the trip to the meat works.
On one occasion I had a large bull break out of the rope and he had knocked down several others so I got him to face away from a beast which was down so I could get in the crate an help it to get back on its legs unfortunately he saw me and decided he would have me for a bit of fun so I headed for the top of the crate unfortunately I lost my balance and with a graceful somersault with pike finished up laying on my back on the ground and a few seconds later was joined by the bull.
Fortunately he missed me and obviously didn’t see me he bounced to his feet and took off and to this day I have no idea how he managed to climb the crate side and escape the only thing I can think of was he used the downed beast as a steeping stone and somehow wriggled over the crate wall.
All good fun now and then
The lead trailer in the pic was a single deck unit similar to the one that the Bull escaped from but it had no walk ways.
Dig
The nearest I got to a disaster like that Dig was when I encountered a bull with horns spread so wide and high they stuck out above the crossbars of the trailer. Dancing around those trying to avoid a spiky fate would have brought tears of appreciation from Nureyev. (Mind you, knowing which way he was inclned I’m glad he wasn’t there to congratulate me )
And to SDU, as Dig said, roping was no problem, it was sheeting them that was a tad awkward.
That wide spread bogie brings back some memories, Buzzer. We had them before tris were legal. Under the old 'bridge fomula" a 9’1" or 10’1" spread increased payload, I dont recall the numbers.
At truck highway speeds back then, the 10/1 spread was just the right distance to flick up nails etc, with the front axle, for the back axle to pick up. The old 9.00x20 rags were a lot less puncture resistant than modern tyres. The soloution was to fit a sweeper in front of the last axle. The sweeper was like a mudflap bracket, but only six inches above the road surface and holding bristles instead of rubber. They largely knocked down the offending foreign object, so the sharp bit wasn’t aimed directly at the tread (or lack of, back then).
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That wide spread bogie brings back some memories, Buzzer. We had them before tris were legal. Under the old 'bridge fomula" a 9’1" or 10’1" spread increased payload, I dont recall the numbers.
At truck highway speeds back then, the 10/1 spread was just the right distance to flick up nails etc, with the front axle, for the back axle to pick up. The old 9.00x20 rags were a lot less puncture resistant than modern tyres. The soloution was to fit a sweeper in front of the last axle. The sweeper was like a mudflap bracket, but only six inches above the road surface and holding bristles instead of rubber. They largely knocked down the offending foreign object, so the sharp bit wasn’t aimed directly at the tread (or lack of, back then).
Buntine first double Deckers had spread bogie I remember being fascinated when following one on the bitumen and how they lifted off the road as there truck moved on and off the camber.
Dig
