roping and sheeting

DEANB:
When you look at pics like this you realise what a dangerous job sheeting some of the taller loads must have been.

Hate to think how many drivers must have had serious/fatal accidents falling off over the years.

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You’re not wrong there Dean, at Midlands Storage a 40’ load of cartoned Raleigh bikes took 2 40’ square sheets and barely covered them. All brought to the trailer by a forkie on 9’ wide pallets. He then had to wait to lift us up on top to spread them, had to get it right first time, no chance of adjustments, then wait around to lift us back down again. Tying down took around 2 hours I think, a really good throwing arm was needed. One time, after loading late in the day, I was still there all alone finishing off. There was a very small bit of platform clear at the rear and I climbed up to thread the Scotch cross and caught my foot in the cross over at the base, tumbled straight off the trailer and rolled underneath it out of sight. I must have been in shock, which prevented me from calling out, my arm was broken, and I lay there for nearly half an hour. There was one forkie working overtime in another shed and passed by every now and then but couldn’t see me or, of course, hear my weak cries. Eventually the thought struck him that he hadn’t seen me for a while so he climbed down to investigate. He gave me a lift to my car, the depot was very extensive, and I drove myself one-armed to Ilkeston hospital where the arm was set.

Naturally I didn’t deliver that load but of those I did, Liverpool docks were the worst. No help to unload, just a checker with a clipboard. Ropes off, sheets pulled off, the latter tumbled at least one stack and lively legs were required to dodge the avalanche. Then, using the half stacks left as ladders, we climbed up and pushed each stack off from a sitting position till most were demolished. Several times during this process it was necessary to climb down and stack the fallen cartons on their pallets. Why on earth did we out up with this treatment? When, at Econofreight, I was elected shop steward I tried. We had an issue with 20 foot long 6" steel pipes in 2 pyramid stacks on the trailer. ropes were thrown over and tied between each layer. Alone again at Liverpool, we had to tightrope walk along the top placing multiple hooks at each end. A driver from Burton, can’t remember the name, yellow and E something comes to mind (Ensor Transport?), was killed after he misplaced the hooks on different pipes. The resulting chaos threw him off and buried him under them. I asked our manager to either send a 2nd man or make sure at least 2 loads went together each time. Refused. We quietly did it ourselves. If necessary we waited at Liverpool until another load came along so we could do the job in relative safety.

Wow, where did all that come from? Haven’t thought of that for years, must have been bottled up as a really bad memory. With apologies to our Scouser members here, but to this day the worst accent in the world to me is a Liverpool one.

DEANB:
When you look at pics like this you realise what a dangerous job sheeting some of the taller loads must have been.

Hate to think how many drivers must have had serious/fatal accidents falling off over the years.

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Got to say Dean that the shot is a terrible advert for S & R ! But I can confirm that we only ever had two accidents of Drivers ( not Shunters) falling off loads and they were about 20 years apart so considering the many thousands of sheeted and roped loads we hauled at Bewick Transport I don’t think that it was a bad record albeit two too many accidents though ! :blush: I was never aware that falls from loads were a major problem in the industry although in later years the “Jobs Worth HSE Wallahs” started to make themselves busy and I did have two or three fairly heated discussions with the Cretins but I always managed to defend successfully the manner and methods we employed on S & R. I also believe that there have been many “falls” out of Curtainsiders over the past years. :open_mouth: One in particular I recall was an ex Bewick Driver who was in later years working for TDG and he suffered serious injury ( far worse than the two Bewick accidents I referred to) when he was pushed out of a Curtainsider .
Obviously if care was not taken when opening sheets out on loads ( which should have been rolled up nice a tight to start with) an accident could easily happen but the fault could usually be put down to carelessness ! I’ve said enough ! Cheers Dennis.

5thwheel:

Star down under.:
I tie in a similar fashion to you David, multiple twists and a single loop. I never feed the entire rope round the tie rail, only a bight; saves feeding it all through agai for the second hitch and it all falls free when untying. Shorter, single ropes work well in conjunction with gates, bearing in mind gates tend to be of even height, commonly between 5 and 7’.
We secure the load then tarp, tarps have their own ropes.

…“tarps have their own ropes”,also known as bottle sheets.

David

I’d never heard the term til I arrived here.

Talking of curtainsider accidents, the worst I have had, apart from the above tale, was when I was pulling curtains open by the buckles and the wind caught it twisting my finger in it. Not broken but did need a visit to Kings Mill and an hour long investigation involving all the Japanese bigwigs at Toray during which I had to demonstrate and nearly did the bugger again. :open_mouth:

Which goes to show that H & S can be too much at times. Again at Toray, we had a mobile wash machine situated just inside a pedestrian entry to the warehouse. There was a 6 inch step to go through the door. A driver didn’t plant his foot squarely on it and twisted his ankle, necessitating a week off work.

Big investigation resulting in the closure of the facility for 2 months (during which time we had to use outside washing arrangements) while the step was replaced by a short concrete ramp and a handrail. The ramp became quite slippy on cold winter mornings. :unamused:

DEANB:
When you look at pics like this you realise what a dangerous job sheeting some of the taller loads must have been.

Hate to think how many drivers must have had serious/fatal accidents falling off over the years.

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I’ve done some Dean and luckily I never injured myself but have to say I don’t like heights so wasn’t something I enjoyed. It’s not just dangerous for high loads though. A skip driver died on the A421 in Bedford a few years ago, he had stopped on a bridge on a very minor road going over the A421, climbed up on top of the skip to sort the load out and fell off and also off the bridge onto the dual carriageway below.

One of Inskips drivers stepped backwards off the back of the lorry when loading, cannot for life of me remember his name but a really nice guy, he hurt his back badly, don’t think he ever worked again.

This is a load of Bowater Scott tissue sheeted with a fly “bottle sheet” . The trailer would have been loaded ex the Barrow mill and is stood in the depot at Milnthorpe ready that nights trunk to Daventry where a Day man would run to the Bowater RDC at West Thurrock.

Star down under.:
As you said David, the preference probably comes down to the initial learning. All moot now, ropes are no longer a recognised method of load security.

Hi Star down under, back in 2013 and via Flickr I was in touch with Trucker Dan aka Daniel Lloyd of Townsville Qsld and a truckie of some 17 years then, these pictures were taken by a buddy of his.
Oily

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oiltreader:

Star down under.:
As you said David, the preference probably comes down to the initial learning. All moot now, ropes are no longer a recognised method of load security.

Hi Star down under, back in 2013 and via Flickr I was in touch with Trucker Dan aka Daniel Lloyd of Townsville Qsld and a truckie of some 17 years then, these pictures were taken by a buddy of his.
Oily

Five immaculately sheeted loads ! :wink: :slight_smile: Cheers Bewick.

Intresting comments Spardo,Kempson and Dennis.

Bloody long way to fall when you look at the heights on some of the load’s especially when you are man handling those
heavy sheets and i imagine it would have been slippery in the wet on loads like timber. Very easy to put a foot wrong
and bale off !

When you look at the pic’s Dennis and Oily popped on there is a proper art to sheeting a load which must have taken
a while to perfect.

I remember as a kid going in grain trucks and back then there were no automatic sheet covers so it was a case of pulling
the sheet from the front of the trailer to the back once you were loaded with grain. You had to be careful doing that as
you use to sink in the grain and could easily loose your balance and bale out over the edge ! :unamused:

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You used to sink into tarmac as well Dean, a boot full of stuff at 180 degrees wasn’t funny! :unamused:

Pete.

DEANB:
When you look at the pic’s Dennis and Oily popped on there is a proper art to sheeting a load which must have taken
a while to perfect.

Absolutely true and part of it with big heavy sheets was rolling them up correctly after the last load so that you weren’t faced with adjustments on top of the next one.

I remember as a kid going in grain trucks and back then there were no automatic sheet covers so it was a case of pulling
the sheet from the front of the trailer to the back once you were loaded with grain. You had to be careful doing that as
you use to sink in the grain and could easily loose your balance and bale out over the edge ! :unamused:

One back load I did avoid with a bit of inventive conversation with the boss on the phone, was from an abattoir in London. I walked past the queue of tippers to the loading bay to see a driver in waders sloshing about pulling a stinking sheet across a sea of grey awfulness. One driver mentioned a police check up the road a few days ago and I immediately seized on that by saying that my tailgate wasn’t completely waterproof.

But not only sheeting was so dangerous. Open top containers of smokeless fuel out of Coalite at Bolsover. The stuff was so light that it was loaded from the edge to a high point in the middle and all we had to stand on patting it down with a shovel was the movable slope and the width of the edge of the box top. How did I ever survive this long? :open_mouth:

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One for Dennis, nmp- lifted from FB

Keith

kmills:
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One for Dennis, nmp- lifted from FB

Keith

Leyland Comets were the backbone of the Brady fleet in the late 50’to mid 60’s and FEO 31 was first registered 1/2/60 and scrapped on 1/6/70 but it’s final years would have been spent shunting around Barrow. The four-in-line is loaded with tubes of British Cellophane from the Barrow plant. BCL was a wholly owned subsidiary of Courtaulds. As for the sheeting and roping well a lot of Bradys gear left a lot to be desired but the Shunters and Drivers always made the best of a bad job as this shot shows ! Eric and I were fortunate on the Octopus & trailer as we kept our own gear and looked after it ! But the trailer fleet were not so lucky as it was a continuous battle to even find a trailer with some sheets on it so it was a case of robbing gear off another trailer ! Happy Days----- not ! Cheers Dennis.

Nmp
Yes i know . . . the driver has roped over the fly sheet :unamused: :slight_smile: ex Spiers and Hartwell maybe ?

Suedehead:
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Nmp
Yes i know . . . the driver has roped over the fly sheet :unamused: :slight_smile: ex Spiers and Hartwell maybe ?

I know I have mentioned this before but, in over 50 years on the road I have never ever been given a flysheet. Why should they not be roped over? Did the ropes damage them or reduce their impermiability?

Liked the look of that and, of course, the Big J. :smiley:

Spardo:

Suedehead:
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Nmp
Yes i know . . . the driver has roped over the fly sheet :unamused: :slight_smile: ex Spiers and Hartwell maybe ?

I know I have mentioned this before but, in over 50 years on the road I have never ever been given a flysheet. Why should they not be roped over? Did the ropes damage them or reduce their impermiability?

Liked the look of that and, of course, the Big J. :smiley:

I really cant answer that. I did a fair bit of r+s in the early 80s and always roped over the flysheet , i thought it looked a lot tidier as most of the loads were not shaped like a big shoe box

Well I thought (and I have never sheeted/roped in my life) that the flysheet should be allowed to ‘flap’ while travelling to get rid of any water? :confused:

Pete.

Well this is my motor, My trailer, My sheets, My ropes, Therefore If I choose to rope over the drip sheet because Ithats the way I did it, Now I know a lot of drivers did it their way & put the drip sheet on last so what I never had a wet load or any rope damage to my sheets, Regards Larry.

This is my understanding of the use of Fly Sheets others may have different ideas !