Lawrence Dunbar:
Come on Dennis my friend, Theres nowt wrong with the good old 150 6LX Gardner, One had to know how to drive a motor with this great MPG Engine in My mentors trained me on way to drive these, And when on a heavy pull like Shap Fell etc when for instance flat to the floor in 3 rd gear pulling hard I was told just ease off the throttle a bit and the engine would pull a bit better, And it worked I have mentioned this over my years to other drivers But sadley only a few agreed with me,But Im still a Gardner man in my old age , Hope you and your good Lady are keeping well, Regards Larry.
Hiya Larry, We are both fine and I trust you and yours are the same ! You’ll no doubt be looking forward to the NE Drivers “Christmas do” eh! will you manage to get Mr. Gill to make an appearance this year ? Anyway, I agree there was nowt wrong with the 150LX this shot I’ve put on was of an Atki we ran for a few years which I got second hand. It was ex Pickfords Tankfreight and all it had done was run aviation spirit from BP Partington into Manchester Airport. It ran like a 'lal sewing machine and it would do between 9 & 10 mpg pulling at 32 ton gvw in both directions on our trunk when we were extra busy and it was a pleasure to drive ! Regards Dennis.
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That’s why gaffers bought em, too make a shilling,n driver too.
harry_gill:
Hiya,
That could only flow from your pen Dennis
Don’t encourage him, H!
So I suppose that’s the matter closed, then, Bewick? It would appear that the only recourse open to me would be to send the cider-soaked lads round to yours, armed with spades and redundant jack handles. The only thing holding me back is the thought that your lovely office girl may become embroiled in the melee. I have no doubt that the young lass is totally unaware of your dodgy dealings, particularly with regard to overdue invoices. I’m sure, should she know the truth, she would agree that 5 guineas represents a sizeable sum to those of us existing on a state pension. I will regretfully withdraw from the current argument on the grounds that it may cause distress to the unfortunate lady.
I would vey much appreciate a credit note for our records ROF stating quite clearly that the invoice is cancelled so when we “draw” a visit from the VAT man he can see that it is a cancelled transaction so I won’t get fined ! Thanking you in anticipation I remain, Yours Sincerely, Mr. Bewick.
Dear Mr. Bewick,
With regard to your request for a credit note for vat purposes, it is with regret that I have to inform you that, due to many former customers neglecting to settle their outstanding accounts, I have had to close the R&S department of my business. This means that the parent company, ROF (Load Security)Ltd. has been placed in administration. I would therefore refer you to my accountants, Messrs. Grabbit & Scarper with reference to any further enquiries concerning the former business. Assuring you of my best intention at all times, I remain, your obedient servant, ROF.
Now then ROF this is one I did earlier so how, might I ask, can you teach ( or learn, depending on where about’s in “The Forrest” you were raised ) me to improve on this effort ■■? Signed, A very disgruntled former Pupil now 5 gns lighter and no chance of recouping same.!!!
Centre rope looks a little slack as it isn’t quite straight, although that could be an optical illusion of course or even a crease in my laptop? But then I know sod all about such things anyway being a tipper man! Rof will put you right Dennis, might cost you another guinea or two though for his knowledge!
Centre rope looks a little slack as it isn’t quite straight, although that could be an optical illusion of course or even a crease in my laptop? But then I know sod all about such things anyway being a tipper man! Rof will put you right Dennis, might cost you another guinea or two though for his knowledge!
Pete.
Ah! Pete Tipper Drivers and sheeting ? they were so useless and hap hazard that the Easi Sheet was developed thereby removing the chore from the drivers !! Cheers Dennis.
Centre rope looks a little slack as it isn’t quite straight, although that could be an optical illusion of course or even a crease in my laptop? But then I know sod all about such things anyway being a tipper man! Rof will put you right Dennis, might cost you another guinea or two though for his knowledge!
Pete.
Ah! Pete Tipper Drivers and sheeting ? they were so useless and hap hazard that the Easi Sheet was developed thereby removing the chore from the drivers !! Cheers Dennis.
Aye, I have seen pics of you and your Trader and presumably that is why you didn’t seem to bother sheeting it anyway! So back to my question, what about that rope then, is it slack?
Centre rope looks a little slack as it isn’t quite straight, although that could be an optical illusion of course or even a crease in my laptop? But then I know sod all about such things anyway being a tipper man! Rof will put you right Dennis, might cost you another guinea or two though for his knowledge!
Pete.
Ah! Pete Tipper Drivers and sheeting ? they were so useless and hap hazard that the Easi Sheet was developed thereby removing the chore from the drivers !! Cheers Dennis.
Aye, I have seen pics of you and your Trader and presumably that is why you didn’t seem to bother sheeting it anyway! So back to my question, what about that rope then, is it slack?
Pete.
Your right Pete the Trader never had a sheet near it ! I mainly carted stone straight off the Quarry face from Penningtons in Kendal for the M6 Haul roads and then the other job I did was dust and screenings from Harrisons at Shap to spread on the stone from Kendal .All clever stuff Mate !!! Oh! and that rope is as tight as a crabs arse at 100 fathoms ! I’ve just gone out and checked it ! Should 'ave gone to Spec Savers Pete !
Bewick:
Your right Pete the Trader never had a sheet near it ! I mainly carted stone straight off the Quarry face from Penningtons in Kendal for the M6 Haul roads and then the other job I did was dust and screenings from Harrisons at Shap to spread on the stone from Kendal .All clever stuff Mate !!! Oh! and that rope is as tight as a crabs arse at 100 fathoms ! I’ve just gone out and checked it ! Should 'ave gone to Spec Savers Pete !
I’m pleased that rope is tight Dennis, it must be one of those with a curve in it then. I can sleep tonight now, I was worried that the load was going to shift when you flew round corners and pics of your mishap would be all over trucknet for Carryfast etc to gloat about. Regarding sheeting, we had to sheet every load no matter what size stone we carried, but back in the fifties when you and the ‘Trusty Trader’ were carving the job up for we newer lads like 1970 Commer, Malmic and myself to try and make a meagre living from many years later nobody bothered about spreading a few rocks along the Kings highway!
Bewick:
Your right Pete the Trader never had a sheet near it ! I mainly carted stone straight off the Quarry face from Penningtons in Kendal for the M6 Haul roads and then the other job I did was dust and screenings from Harrisons at Shap to spread on the stone from Kendal .All clever stuff Mate !!! Oh! and that rope is as tight as a crabs arse at 100 fathoms ! I’ve just gone out and checked it ! Should 'ave gone to Spec Savers Pete !
I’m pleased that rope is tight Dennis, it must be one of those with a curve in it then. I can sleep tonight now, I was worried that the load was going to shift when you flew round corners and pics of your mishap would be all over trucknet for Carryfast etc to gloat about. Regarding sheeting, we had to sheet every load no matter what size stone we carried, but back in the fifties when you and the ‘Trusty Trader’ were carving the job up for we newer lads like 1970 Commer, Malmic and myself to try and make a meagre living from many years later nobody bothered about spreading a few rocks along the Kings highway!
Pete.
50’s ! 50’s ! Pete your a full decade out Mate ! it was the late 60’s when the building of the top end of the M6 was started ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
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Now then ROF this is one I did earlier so how, might I ask, can you teach ( or learn, depending on where about’s in “The Forrest” you were raised ) me to improve on this effort ■■? Signed, A very disgruntled former Pupil now 5 gns lighter and no chance of recouping same.!!!
Young Mike still saving up for the fly sheet, I presume?
Brings tears to the eyes that shot ! Nicely sheeted load of Glass but I wonder which way it was heading, south from St. Helens or possibly north from Canning Town ? I can’t recall ever seeing an old Steer and trailer as when I was a trailer mate on Brady’s in the mid/late 60’s. The Sutton waggon and trailers we came across regularly were 150LX powered 4 wheelers but they were pulling identical trailers to the Steer which I always thought of as the “dogs” those twin wheeled Dyson drawbars ! I reckon that old Steer would have only had the 6LW engine under the bonnet so it would struggle when fully freighted I guess ! All the same a cracking shot of a great outfit ! Cheers Bewick.
Brings tears to the eyes that shot ! Nicely sheeted load of Glass but I wonder which way it was heading, south from St. Helens or possibly north from Canning Town ? I can’t recall ever seeing an old Steer and trailer as when I was a trailer mate on Brady’s in the mid/late 60’s. The Sutton waggon and trailers we came across regularly were 150LX powered 4 wheelers but they were pulling identical trailers to the Steer which I always thought of as the “dogs” those twin wheeled Dyson drawbars ! I reckon that old Steer would have only had the 6LW engine under the bonnet so it would struggle when fully freighted I guess ! All the same a cracking shot of a great outfit ! Cheers Bewick.
Hiya,
Can’t understand hauliers having those twin wheeled drawbar trailers,
in eight wheeler and trailer combination loaded correctly you could
only get six tons tons on the trailer and fourteen tons on the legger it
was thirty CWT a tyre in my day making for the maximum twenty tons
load occasionally loading sixteen tons on the legger but that would put
you overweight by about 30 CWT, have I been out of the game too long.
Brings tears to the eyes that shot ! Nicely sheeted load of Glass but I wonder which way it was heading, south from St. Helens or possibly north from Canning Town ? I can’t recall ever seeing an old Steer and trailer as when I was a trailer mate on Brady’s in the mid/late 60’s. The Sutton waggon and trailers we came across regularly were 150LX powered 4 wheelers but they were pulling identical trailers to the Steer which I always thought of as the “dogs” those twin wheeled Dyson drawbars ! I reckon that old Steer would have only had the 6LW engine under the bonnet so it would struggle when fully freighted I guess ! All the same a cracking shot of a great outfit ! Cheers Bewick.
Hiya,
Can’t understand hauliers having those twin wheeled drawbar trailers,
in eight wheeler and trailer combination loaded correctly you could
only get six tons tons on the trailer and fourteen tons on the legger it
was thirty CWT a tyre in my day making for the maximum twenty tons
load occasionally loading sixteen tons on the legger but that would put
you overweight by about 30 CWT, have I been out of the game too long.
Hiya “H” how are you keeping mate ? Now then don’t you go all technical on a young innocent Trailer Mate who had no input whatsoever as to what , and how, the Octopus and trailer was loaded !!! I can relate one regular “occurrence” that used to happen every few weeks as our regular load was 22ton of Signode strapping from Barrow Steel to The Abbey in S. Wales and every so often there was 5 ton of the same for a small Steel Works at Griffiths Town so I guess that if there wasn’t another motor going down that way this 5 ton was loaded onto the Octopus and trailer i.e. 27ton I kid you not. The Welshman on the W/bridge at G/town used to call us fit to burn like " You Brady boyos want locking up overloading like this!" ! I can recall that when we weighed back out we were then running legal at 32 ton approx. ! But anyway “H” those Sutton double wheel drawbars were “the” trailer" to me when I was at Brady’s. If the Sutton 4 wheelers were 14 ton gvw I reckon these double wheeled trailers would have been the same so what do you think “H” ? Cheers Dennis.
Brings tears to the eyes that shot ! Nicely sheeted load of Glass but I wonder which way it was heading, south from St. Helens or possibly north from Canning Town ? I can’t recall ever seeing an old Steer and trailer as when I was a trailer mate on Brady’s in the mid/late 60’s. The Sutton waggon and trailers we came across regularly were 150LX powered 4 wheelers but they were pulling identical trailers to the Steer which I always thought of as the “dogs” those twin wheeled Dyson drawbars ! I reckon that old Steer would have only had the 6LW engine under the bonnet so it would struggle when fully freighted I guess ! All the same a cracking shot of a great outfit ! Cheers Bewick.
Hiya,
Can’t understand hauliers having those twin wheeled drawbar trailers,
in eight wheeler and trailer combination loaded correctly you could
only get six tons tons on the trailer and fourteen tons on the legger it
was thirty CWT a tyre in my day making for the maximum twenty tons
load occasionally loading sixteen tons on the legger but that would put
you overweight by about 30 CWT, have I been out of the game too long.
Hiya “H” how are you keeping mate ? Now then don’t you go all technical on a young innocent Trailer Mate who had no input whatsoever as to what , and how, the Octopus and trailer was loaded !!! I can relate one regular “occurrence” that used to happen every few weeks as our regular load was 22ton of Signode strapping from Barrow Steel to The Abbey in S. Wales and every so often there was 5 ton of the same for a small Steel Works at Griffiths Town so I guess that if there wasn’t another motor going down that way this 5 ton was loaded onto the Octopus and trailer i.e. 27ton I kid you not. The Welshman on the W/bridge at G/town used to call us fit to burn like " You Brady boyos want locking up overloading like this!" ! I can recall that when we weighed back out we were then running legal at 32 ton approx. ! But anyway “H” those Sutton double wheel drawbars were “the” trailer" to me when I was at Brady’s. If the Sutton 4 wheelers were 14 ton gvw I reckon these double wheeled trailers would have been the same so what do you think “H” ? Cheers Dennis.
Hiya,
I’m as good as it gets Dennis hoping you and yours are well, I do agree
those double wheeled drawbar trailers would be an asset on a little
four wheeled Atki provided it was engined with nowt less than a six
pot Percy but totally pointless on a legger because the extra weight
would lower the overall load carrying capacity four extra wheels and
the bits and bobs needed to affix ehem would come to about a ton I
should think.
Hi “H” and yes we are good thanks. The Sutton 4 wheelers had the LX 150 engines especially for use with a trailer and from memory they were all pre suffix reg nos so they must have been 14 ton GVW because again IIRC 16 ton 4 wheelers only appeared around 1966 and also the Sutton motors only had single headlamps and not the twins which were later. We used to come across a rake of them in The Hollies for breakfast, and not to put too finer a point on it “H” we had run from Barrow and those idle backs had just run down from St. Helens ! I’ll give you a “chuckle” there was a demarcation line in the Café as all the Drivers sat together and the Mates had their own tables so guess what I was relegated to the Mates end while Eric had the craic with the Sutton Drivers. There was often 6 or 7 or so of Suttons waggons and trailers on the Hollies and I recall there was uproar one morning when Suttons Mates had gathered around the glass cabinet which had that three claw grab where you put in 2 bob and tried to grab summat ! Well Suttons Mates managed to prize open the top and they worked the grab and cleaned out all the packets of cigs !!! Eric and me did a quick exit as weren’t getting involved with that lot eh! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Hi “H” and yes we are good thanks. The Sutton 4 wheelers had the LX 150 engines especially for use with a trailer and from memory they were all pre suffix reg nos so they must have been 14 ton GVW because again IIRC 16 ton 4 wheelers only appeared around 1966 and also the Sutton motors only had single headlamps and not the twins which were later. We used to come across a rake of them in The Hollies for breakfast, and not to put too finer a point on it “H” we had run from Barrow and those idle backs had just run down from St. Helens ! I’ll give you a “chuckle” there was a demarcation line in the Café as all the Drivers sat together and the Mates had their own tables so guess what I was relegated to the Mates end while Eric had the craic with the Sutton Drivers. There was often 6 or 7 or so of Suttons waggons and trailers on the Hollies and I recall there was uproar one morning when Suttons Mates had gathered around the glass cabinet which had that three claw grab where you put in 2 bob and tried to grab summat ! Well Suttons Mates managed to prize open the top and they worked the grab and cleaned out all the packets of cigs !!! Eric and me did a quick exit as weren’t getting involved with that lot eh! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya,
Yes Dennis I used to dine with the Suttons lads but at the Sunset at Penkridge,
they were a rowdy lot for sure and me being a newbie and only just 21 got a
bit of the urine extracted until they saw me drive off once or twice with the
old man a guy nearing retirement who was my trailer “boy” for a while, I did
get respect eventually, but this was the late 1950s and seemingly I must have
“been only about 18” or so they thought.
Bewick:
Hi “H” and yes we are good thanks. The Sutton 4 wheelers had the LX 150 engines especially for use with a trailer and from memory they were all pre suffix reg nos so they must have been 14 ton GVW because again IIRC 16 ton 4 wheelers only appeared around 1966 and also the Sutton motors only had single headlamps and not the twins which were later. We used to come across a rake of them in The Hollies for breakfast, and not to put too finer a point on it “H” we had run from Barrow and those idle backs had just run down from St. Helens ! I’ll give you a “chuckle” there was a demarcation line in the Café as all the Drivers sat together and the Mates had their own tables so guess what I was relegated to the Mates end while Eric had the craic with the Sutton Drivers. There was often 6 or 7 or so of Suttons waggons and trailers on the Hollies and I recall there was uproar one morning when Suttons Mates had gathered around the glass cabinet which had that three claw grab where you put in 2 bob and tried to grab summat ! Well Suttons Mates managed to prize open the top and they worked the grab and cleaned out all the packets of cigs !!! Eric and me did a quick exit as weren’t getting involved with that lot eh! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya,
Yes Dennis I used to dine with the Suttons lads but at the Sunset at Penkridge,
they were a rowdy lot for sure and me being a newbie and only just 21 got a
bit of the urine extracted until they saw me drive off once or twice with the
old man a guy nearing retirement who was my trailer “boy” for a while, I did
get respect eventually, but this was the late 1950s and seemingly I must have
“been only about 18” or so they thought.
Aye The Sunset at Penkridge “H” was state of the art when it opened. Eric and me used to stay there occasionally and IIRC they had a bar and “cabaret” was it downstairs underneath the establishment !! I bet you know “H” especially if there was a Slapper or two performing !! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Hi “H” and yes we are good thanks. The Sutton 4 wheelers had the LX 150 engines especially for use with a trailer and from memory they were all pre suffix reg nos so they must have been 14 ton GVW because again IIRC 16 ton 4 wheelers only appeared around 1966 and also the Sutton motors only had single headlamps and not the twins which were later. We used to come across a rake of them in The Hollies for breakfast, and not to put too finer a point on it “H” we had run from Barrow and those idle backs had just run down from St. Helens ! I’ll give you a “chuckle” there was a demarcation line in the Café as all the Drivers sat together and the Mates had their own tables so guess what I was relegated to the Mates end while Eric had the craic with the Sutton Drivers. There was often 6 or 7 or so of Suttons waggons and trailers on the Hollies and I recall there was uproar one morning when Suttons Mates had gathered around the glass cabinet which had that three claw grab where you put in 2 bob and tried to grab summat ! Well Suttons Mates managed to prize open the top and they worked the grab and cleaned out all the packets of cigs !!! Eric and me did a quick exit as weren’t getting involved with that lot eh! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya,
Yes Dennis I used to dine with the Suttons lads but at the Sunset at Penkridge,
they were a rowdy lot for sure and me being a newbie and only just 21 got a
bit of the urine extracted until they saw me drive off once or twice with the
old man a guy nearing retirement who was my trailer “boy” for a while, I did
get respect eventually, but this was the late 1950s and seemingly I must have
“been only about 18” or so they thought.
Aye The Sunset at Penkridge “H” was state of the art when it opened. Eric and me used to stay there occasionally and IIRC they had a bar and “cabaret” was it downstairs underneath the establishment !! I bet you know “H” especially if there was a Slapper or two performing !! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya,
Slappers indeed I’ll have you know I momentarily fell in love with one or two
of the gorgeous ladies, no seriously Dennis I never got to stay overnight only
ever called for food outward bound when coming home it was alteration to a
logsheet to get home viva la fourteen hour spreadover if needed Eh’ Dennis,
so I didn’t get to see the Sunset at night other than through the windscreen.
) me to improve on this effort ■■? Signed, A very disgruntled former Pupil now 5 gns lighter and no chance of recouping same.!!! 
