Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!
Retired Old ■■■■:
Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!
For you unenlightened forest dwellers , that is a scotch cross . I suppose you would chuck a few feet of baler twine over it , typical tanker driver . anon
rigsby:
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Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!For you unenlightened forest dwellers , that is a scotch cross . I suppose you would chuck a few feet of baler twine over it , typical tanker driver . anon
Hiya,
I’ve always named/used that method of roping the arse end and referred
to it as the Dundee cross but I did do a lot of jute and tatties from there.
thanks harry, long retired.
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Retired Old ■■■■:
Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!
iam with you Rof
Bewick:
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Just as a matter of interest how many “regional descriptions” are there for this configuration of roping the backend of a load ? Bewick.
Aberdeen Angus
(All the various descriptions I have heard have Scottish origins))
Punchy Dan:
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Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!iam with you Rof
Cheers, Dan.
And just a gentle reminder- you haven’t yet paid for that last R&S update I gave you two years ago!
rigsby:
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Sorry, no knowledge of that almighty mess since it isn’t included in my Overpriced R&S Courses- we do it PROPERLY!For you unenlightened forest dwellers , that is a scotch cross . I suppose you would chuck a few feet of baler twine over it , typical tanker driver . anon
'Ere, mate, I was teaching R&S while you were still looking for the pto lever!
Well at least the shot and the question has stimulated a response apart from, of course, the usual negative barbs from our Forrester mate ! 
We used to refer to the cross as “putting a Scotchman on” Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Well at least the shot and the question has stimulated a response apart from, of course, the usual negative barbs from our Forrester mate !
I thought it was the scotch man who was going to put you on the cross Dennis
Well when I first started on flat wagons My Mentors refered to it as a Scotch Hitch, And I believed them as one did in those days , Regards Larry.
Punchy Dan:
Bewick:
Well at least the shot and the question has stimulated a response apart from, of course, the usual negative barbs from our Forrester mate !I thought it was the scotch man who was going to put you on the cross Dennis
Now then Dan’l this roping technology is way above your “bungee” securing !
Lawrence Dunbar:
Well when I first started on flat wagons My Mentors refered to it as a Scotch Hitch, And I believed them as one did in those days
Well Larry I wish I had a tenner for every “scotchman” I’d put onto a basic cross ! Cheers Dennis.
Roping and sheeting was a dying art when I started, but being at the bottom of the totem pole meant that I had to prove my worth before getting a trailer with a roof. I’ve never used or seen anybody using that type of cross on the back or front, but being from the smoke may explain that, there were definitely regional styles of roping.
I used to double dolly with a straight rope across the back if the load under the sheet was likely to move about, plywood, chipboard, gypsum board, timber etc. I’d also use every hook at the back as we had a lot more roundabouts to go around and if it was going to move, over the trailer wheels was where it would go first.
What would you lot say was the most difficult thing to keep on a trailer? I know board of any kind could be a challenge, but my personal dread were those blue plastic 45gal drums, especially if they were not full to the brim, they had a mind of their own those poxy things. I used to barrel hitch every row and then rope over the sheet between the rows to keep em snug, must’ve used two miles of rope and still had to go round a bend like I was balancing a bucket of water on my head to stop them sliding around.
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Oiled and pickled steel bars. You could strap it, rope it, sheet it and even put a chain around it but it was still a matter of driving very gently. I often wondered just how quickly I could kill myself and others if I had to do an emergency stop with that cr*p on board.
I sometimes put a “Scotchman” on the “Cross” on the back of a load, If there was a ropehook at the centre of the rear crossmember,
I would start it there, go up to the “Cross”, then down to the ropehook with a dolly. If there was still a lot of rope left,
it was carefully coiled up, and hung from the “Cross”. Ray Smyth.
A shot of me doing some re-roping under scrutiny by the finest vintage commercial vehicle journalist in the UK, Bob Tuck !
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Oiled and pickled steel bars. You could strap it, rope it, sheet it and even put a chain around it but it was still a matter of driving very gently. I often wondered just how quickly I could kill myself and others if I had to do an emergency stop with that cr*p on board.
Hi ROF, In the 50/60s I used to load from Govan Shafting Co at Govan with this sort of stuff, We had the old sisal ropes in those days, Chains didnt exist with the firm I drove for. It was a real challenge to secure these oily lengths of solid round bars, Which in fact were for delivery to C H Parson Ltd on the Fossway Byker, The full load was about 7/8 Ton, So as I was taught by my Mentors I did pull very tightly on the double hitches when leaving Govan, First stop the Coatesgate Cafe on Beattock, Have a first class nosh, The check the ropes & retighten if required which was the norm, The firm I drove for Baxters Road Services Ltd Newcastle upon Tyne, Were tops to work for but just relied on good drivers like my mentors & myself of course, The good old days IMOO, Regards Larry
When I first started about 1964 we were loading hydrated lime straight off the bagging plant , full of air which of course sank as the air was pressed out of the bags . It was the Scots lads who backloaded from ICI who taught me the scotch cross to get the bags down tighter , Smiths of Whiteinch always in a hurry to get up to Preston for the night . Dave
The older drivers at Heaton’s transport in St Helens would often refer to this as an ’ Aberdeen Spider ', so there would appear to be a definite Scottish connection with this method of tensioning the cross, although I would hesitate to guess where this method actually originated.
rigsby:
When I first started about 1964 we were loading hydrated lime straight off the bagging plant , full of air which of course sank as the air was pressed out of the bags . It was the Scots lads who backloaded from ICI who taught me the scotch cross to get the bags down tighter , Smiths of Whiteinch always in a hurry to get up to Preston for the night . Dave
Hi Riggers, Smiths of Whiteinch, That brings back a few mems, I used to back load off them in the 50/60s Era When in Glasgow, In fact in later years a pal of mine who lived in Newcastle had a job with them on a changeover system to do with some Army container movement, Which was Tacho Exempt at this time He told me he could run over his driving time with no questions asked, The good old bad days Eh Regards Larry.