As you know Dennis I am of the old school roping and sheeting properly and chains non of these new fangled straps etc. Why all the previous discussion regarding load security, we should all be agricultural contractors /farmers with no Operators Licence CPC, Tachographs etc etc. I observed this blatent disregard for load safety a few days ago. This guy was doing some landscaping of a nearby property when he finished he drove his mini digger straight onto the low loader trailer, chucked three loose buckets onto the bed plus a heavy henpecker device without even a piece of string for security. Jumping into the cab revved up and pulled out acutely from behind a parked car very rapidly and zoomed off. Where are all the ministry guys that persecute lorry drivers who know how to secure a load but they know better and these cowboys get away with such dangerous practices. It is not so long ago that a similar type of load on a similar trailer set up rolled off the back resulting in a small girl loosing her life.
I wish I could forcast the lottery winning number as accurately as I did this situation.
I know I am a grumpy old bugger,
Cheers, Leyland 600.
Your quite right in your observations Gerald, believe me you are not alone as we have many large 4x4 giant tractors roaring through Kendal daily, there appeared to be a big muck shifting / rubble clearance going on last week-end and there was about half a dozen of the buggers running south out of the Town, backwards and forwards and the state of some of the trailers loaded to the gunnels and going like hell, they must have had into the teens of tons on board and would have had no chance to stop quick like ! But then again the “Agricultralists” have always got away with murder ( not always eh! 
) IIRC there was always a battle on the Sugar beet job in East Anglia with Farmers muscling in on properly licensed hauliers. Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Your quite right in your observations Gerald, believe me you are not alone as we have many large 4x4 giant tractors roaring through Kendal daily, there appeared to be a big muck shifting / rubble clearance going on last week-end and there was about half a dozen of the buggers running south out of the Town, backwards and forwards and the state of some of the trailers loaded to the gunnels and going like hell, they must have had into the teens of tons on board and would have had no chance to stop quick like ! But then again the “Agricultralists” have always got away with murder ( not always eh!
In Leicester as well !
I was near the city centre this morning doing a drop in a side street when a tractor and trailer full of mud appears but there was no way he was getting by then his mate in anther tractor but empty trailer appears from other direction , he was happy to wait as I only had a few pallets to come off
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Mike Ponsonby:
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Followed your Golden Goose down A5 on Wednesday morning had a Liebherr rehandler on back, looked very smart, the best advert you can have I suppose!
Its our only advert cheers mate
pete smith:
Mike Ponsonby:
10Followed your Golden Goose down A5 on Wednesday morning had a Liebherr rehandler on back, looked very smart, the best advert you can have I suppose!
I well remember working for Suttons out of St. Helens on the night trunk service to Bethnal Green, London Colney and Stowmarket. We got 11 hours pay for about five hours work. Most of the lads were OK but Sutton was a bully and it was a good job that the union was fairly strong and kept him in check.
They introduced the first night flyer that did a return trip using a Atkinson with a Gardener 240. This was because the M6 had just recently been connected to the M1 and so the journey times were much shorter.
I remember Sutton having a row with Atkinsons and removing all the big letter A from the lorries in protest.
At this time the wages were changed over from cash to bank transfers and I had to open a bank account. After a couple of years I left Suttons to get a night flyer job with Cawthorne Sinclair. Suttons rang my bank and tried to rescind the reference that they had provided in retaliation for my leaving Suttons. Happy days.
That’s why Alf Sutton ran one of the finest outfits of the day ! he may have been a ■■■■ but he couldn’t help be admired, I happen to know a chap who joined Suttons as their fleet engineer after the previous incumbent ( I believe) shot himself in his XJ6 on Birch services ( IIRC) this fleet Engineer that took over didn’t stand a “dogs” as at the firm he left to join Suttons he was chewing soluble Disprins just like smarties, so he had no chance at Suttons.I am not making this story up either ! Cheers Bewick.
A lad out of my school class is M.D at Sutton road tanks .
Bewick:
That’s why Alf Sutton ran one of the finest outfits of the day ! he may have been a [zb] but he couldn’t help be admired, I happen to know a chap who joined Suttons as their fleet engineer after the previous incumbent ( I believe) shot himself in his XJ6 on Birch services ( IIRC) this fleet Engineer that took over didn’t stand a “dogs” as at the firm he left to join Suttons he was chewing soluble Disprins just like smarties, so he had no chance at Suttons.I am not making this story up either ! Cheers Bewick.
I always said that Bas****s made the best bosses. Not that…well…
John
5Tony5:
I well remember working for Suttons out of St. Helens on the night trunk service to Bethnal Green, London Colney and Stowmarket. We got 11 hours pay for about five hours work. Most of the lads were OK but Sutton was a bully and it was a good job that the union was fairly strong and kept him in check.They introduced the first night flyer that did a return trip using a Atkinson with a Gardener 240. This was because the M6 had just recently been connected to the M1 and so the journey times were much shorter.
I remember Sutton having a row with Atkinsons and removing all the big letter A from the lorries in protest.
At this time the wages were changed over from cash to bank transfers and I had to open a bank account. After a couple of years I left Suttons to get a night flyer job with Cawthorne Sinclair. Suttons rang my bank and tried to rescind the reference that they had provided in retaliation for my leaving Suttons. Happy days.
There was an article in the Atkinson house magazine about Sutton’s trunks: they started doing the return trip to London Colney in 1964, with 150-engined Mk.1 Atkinsons. This was about 6 years before the M6 met the M1
Here is one of the photos which accompanied the article:
Hiya,
At one point of my driving career, my main loading out point was
the old Consett Iron Company I lived nearby and worked for what
had been Siddle C Cooks at one time, everything that came off
the steelworks had to be sheeted, usually going to a shipyard or
some steel stockholders where it was stored on top of a same
size pile of plates already red rusty stuff and with the yardmen
telling you “you don’t need to cover your load driver it’s always
stored outside here” ringing in your ears return to the yard for
yet another load of the same which needed sheeting to get over
the weighbridge for another repeat performance, Caterpillars,
wouldn’t let you into their stockyard until you’d removed your
ropes, sheets and chains.
thanks harry, long retired.
harry_gill:
Hiya,
At one point of my driving career, my main loading out point was
the old Consett Iron Company I lived nearby and worked for what
had been Siddle C Cooks at one time, everything that came off
the steelworks had to be sheeted, usually going to a shipyard or
some steel stockholders where it was stored on top of a same
size pile of plates already red rusty stuff and with the yardmen
telling you “you don’t need to cover your load driver it’s always
stored outside here” ringing in your ears return to the yard for
yet another load of the same which needed sheeting to get over
the weighbridge for another repeat performance, Caterpillars,
wouldn’t let you into their stockyard until you’d removed your
ropes, sheets and chains.
thanks harry, long retired.
That used to happen with me with some customers with timber out of tilbury docks.
regards dave
240 Gardner:
5Tony5:
I well remember working for Suttons out of St. Helens on the night trunk service to Bethnal Green, London Colney and Stowmarket. We got 11 hours pay for about five hours work. Most of the lads were OK but Sutton was a bully and it was a good job that the union was fairly strong and kept him in check.They introduced the first night flyer that did a return trip using a Atkinson with a Gardener 240. This was because the M6 had just recently been connected to the M1 and so the journey times were much shorter.
I remember Sutton having a row with Atkinsons and removing all the big letter A from the lorries in protest.
At this time the wages were changed over from cash to bank transfers and I had to open a bank account. After a couple of years I left Suttons to get a night flyer job with Cawthorne Sinclair. Suttons rang my bank and tried to rescind the reference that they had provided in retaliation for my leaving Suttons. Happy days.
There was an article in the Atkinson house magazine about Sutton’s trunks: they started doing the return trip to London Colney in 1964, with 150-engined Mk.1 Atkinsons. This was about 6 years before the M6 met the M1
Here is one of the photos which accompanied the article:
Thanks for the photo. It brings back memories.
The first night that I run out of St Helens they gave me an old eight-legger with no power steering that did exactly 41mph. After a couple of nights I told the transport manager to stuff the job and they gave me an old artic that did about 54mph. We spent most of our nights playing cards in the Blue Boar until the services opened at Corley, then we moved there. There was no point getting in early as the digs didn’t open until about 0630. Most of the loads were glass from Pilkingtons to London and empty stillages on the return to St. Helens.
Followed this Ernest Thorpe’s lorry out of Brierly Hill this afternoon
Hmm
Bewick:
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If we carried on with the theme from the previous post we would end up arguing who had sheeted their flat ( without a load) the tidiest ! 
This shot of a “camel” was spoilt by the fly sheet ties being too short which I accept full responsibility for ! But believe me the supplier of the fly sheet got the “thick end” of my tongue and they supplied us with the proper length ties on their next visit ! But I would add that our Tarpaulin supplier Leech’es on Dock Road in Liverpool were great people to deal with and if they were “out of order” ( on very few occasions) the problem was rectified PDQ ! Bewick.
Punchy Dan:
:roll: Hmm
■■■■ off !!!
Bewick:
Punchy Dan:
:roll: Hmm[zb] off !!!