Yeah when I said vans I was talking 3.5t max, not 18 tonners. 
In the future I might get stuff that size but right now its vans up to 3.5t with trailers with an unladen weight of no more than 1.02t just so I avoid the O-licence as from what I’ve read its a lot of money and hassle, and I could do without that to start with.
Dennis I borrowed this picture from the Robert Baillie thread and I reckon the chap that did this could have been employed by you back in the day, pretty neat job especially as its a load of tomatoes not the easiest thing to sheet without damage, cheers Buzzer.
FTBlunder:
Yeah when I said vans I was talking 3.5t max, not 18 tonners.In the future I might get stuff that size but right now its vans up to 3.5t with trailers with an unladen weight of no more than 1.02t just so I avoid the O-licence as from what I’ve read its a lot of money and hassle, and I could do without that to start with.
I think you will find the 1020 law has been dropped since around dec 4 th 2011 ,if you are carrying own goods or goods for your trade you will be o licence exempt ,however with regard to your vehicle and trailer for the use of hire & reward you will need a operators licence .
In the future I might get stuff that size but right now its vans up to 3.5t with trailers with an unladen weight of no more than 1.02t just so I avoid the O-licence as from what I’ve read its a lot of money and hassle, and I could do without that to start with.
You also need to ensure you are familiar with the regulations for Van/Trailer weight limits, its a tricky area which many have fallen fowl of especially with vehicles below 3.5t. A van up to 3.5 tonne gross weight towing a trailer of around 1.0 tonne won’t have a high MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass) meaning the loaded van and trailer cannot go above this figure which is marked on the Manufacturers Plate. See below.
A category B vehicle may be coupled with a trailer over 750kgs MAM, provided the combination does not exceed 3,500kgs MAM. Or it could be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM, provided the combination does not exceed 4,250kgs MAM. The rules differ again for B+E combinations along with the Category B+E driver test before Jan 2013.
There is also the tacho rules that apply:
Van and pick-up drivers face fines of up to £5,000 for failing to observe tachograph regulations. A tachograph must be installed and is subject to EU regulations if the combined permissible weight of the vehicle and trailer exceeds 3,500 kg. You may well be aware of these regs which is fine but if not it is worth finding the correct information for the combination you intend to use. Franky.
Buzzer:
Dennis I borrowed this picture from the Robert Baillie thread and I reckon the chap that did this could have been employed by you back in the day, pretty neat job especially as its a load of tomatoes not the easiest thing to sheet without damage, cheers Buzzer.
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An Atki with tinted windows 
Buzzer:
Dennis I borrowed this picture from the Robert Baillie thread and I reckon the chap that did this could have been employed by you back in the day, pretty neat job especially as its a load of tomatoes not the easiest thing to sheet without damage, cheers Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Dennis I borrowed this picture from the Robert Baillie thread and I reckon the chap that did this could have been employed by you back in the day, pretty neat job especially as its a load of tomatoes not the easiest thing to sheet without damage, cheers Buzzer.
They used to put ‘corner boards’ along the top edges of the load. two parallel planks, side by side about 4 to 6 inches apart fixed together with ‘hinges’ made of sections of webbing cut from fire hose. One board would lay on the top of the load and the other would hang down against the side. If I remember rightly they were put under the Tarpauline. The ropes didn’t cut into the tomatoes or tear the sheets by going down between the trays. Tim Walker.
Thanks to Tim Walker for his “Roping and Sheeting” remarks,and also to Buzzer.
The “Corner Boards” were mainly about 7ft 6" long, 4" x 5/8" timbers.
Some were about 4ft long,which were put upright at the back,for when you tied
a cross rope on. When loading at H.J.Heinz at Wigan for Robert Baillie return
traffic for Southampton and London,we put the corner boards on first,starting
roping them on at the first hook, then alternate hooks all the way to the rear.
Once the sheets were on,the remaining empty hooks were used alternately.
Baillies rules, No empty hooks. Then the fly sheet went on. On your own,
it would take the best part of an hour. Happy Days !!! Regards, Ray Smyth.
Frankydobo:
In the future I might get stuff that size but right now its vans up to 3.5t with trailers with an unladen weight of no more than 1.02t just so I avoid the O-licence as from what I’ve read its a lot of money and hassle, and I could do without that to start with.You also need to ensure you are familiar with the regulations for Van/Trailer weight limits, its a tricky area which many have fallen fowl of especially with vehicles below 3.5t. A van up to 3.5 tonne gross weight towing a trailer of around 1.0 tonne won’t have a high MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass) meaning the loaded van and trailer cannot go above this figure which is marked on the Manufacturers Plate. See below.
A category B vehicle may be coupled with a trailer over 750kgs MAM, provided the combination does not exceed 3,500kgs MAM. Or it could be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM, provided the combination does not exceed 4,250kgs MAM. The rules differ again for B+E combinations along with the Category B+E driver test before Jan 2013.
There is also the tacho rules that apply:
Van and pick-up drivers face fines of up to £5,000 for failing to observe tachograph regulations. A tachograph must be installed and is subject to EU regulations if the combined permissible weight of the vehicle and trailer exceeds 3,500 kg. You may well be aware of these regs which is fine but if not it is worth finding the correct information for the combination you intend to use. Franky.
I’ve got full C+E so I’m not worried on that front. The vehicle in question has a train weight of 6.5t so I can put up to 3t behind it. I’m also aware of tacho regs and getting one fitted before I start commercial operations, fortunately the vehicle is pre 06 and DVSA haven’t pulled me and told me I need to fit one so I can get an analogue tacho fitted.
Punchy Dan:
I think you will find the 1020 law has been dropped since around dec 4 th 2011 ,if you are carrying own goods or goods for your trade you will be o licence exempt ,however with regard to your vehicle and trailer for the use of hire & reward you will need a operators licence .
The o-licence isn’t required for myself as I’m not transporting other people’s goods for hire or reward, I am hiring out marquees but the transport is incidental to the job, I could pay someone else to move them if I really wanted to, it’s still me putting them up in the field. I had a long exchange of emails with the DVSA over whether I could hire other people’s equipment in and then hire it to others without falling foul of the regs and they said I could as for the duration of the hire they counted as my own goods. If this activity counted as hire or reward then there would be an awful lot of marquee firms running illegally on restricted o-licences.
Buzzer:
Dennis I borrowed this picture from the Robert Baillie thread and I reckon the chap that did this could have been employed by you back in the day, pretty neat job especially as its a load of tomatoes not the easiest thing to sheet without damage, cheers Buzzer.
Tidy load there Buzzer fair play to the Driver/Shunter who did the job ! I can recall using those thick black fibre corner boards on loads of Libbys tins, I sometimes used them direct onto the pallets and other times if the load was nice and square I used them after I put the main sheets on then the fly sheet covered them. I also recall the times on Covent Garden when I used to load my D1000 for a merchant in Barrow-in-Furness and it was always a right mixed load, I used to put the Canary and the Jersey Toms in the middle of the load, down the centre so they wouldn’t get the wind chill which in winter time apparently could do some damage ! The Barrow Merchant always used to clamour for me to do their Covent Garden load which wasn’t always possible as I wasn’t always in London when they were buying , so they would get their load on one of J & W Watts 4 wheeler vans with lights on the bottom and heavies piled on top !. It was a good paying job for me but a right ■■■■■■■ grueller I can tell you ! Cheers Dennis.
Dirty Dan:
Just in the need of some of Dennis magic touch
Saw this in a mill in Norrköping this week.Danne
Childs play Danne ! more like a starter job for a “curtain puller” Oh! dear what a mess that would be ! Cheers Dennis. 
The box on the trailer was used for storing corner boars which were a bit posher being made of 3mm aluminium. These would be in two lengths, most being about 4’ long but there would be some shorter ones as well which fitted nicely the length of one pallet loaded short side out.
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Corner board box again visible, but more noticeable is the next to useless flysheet which was so narrow that it scarelessly covered the top of the load. When new these were the devil of a thing, the ropes were only just long enough to reach the rope hooks and shiny too so there was always the worry that it would become a fly-away sheet. Some of them were also about 10ft too long as well, long enough for hops but too long for everything else.
Bewick:
Dirty Dan:
Just in the need of some of Dennis magic touch
Saw this in a mill in Norrköping this week.Danne
Childs play Danne ! more like a starter job for a “curtain puller” Oh! dear what a mess that would be ! Cheers Dennis.
A doddle sheeting that up , now if it were 8 footers staggered down the trailer it would be more of a challenge .
I reckoned nowt to those Ali corner boards, because if one dropped off it could "pole axe " you as this was the days before the hard hat bollox eh! Cheers Dennis.
At various times I had both ally and wooden corner boards. The only difference was that the wooden ones would smash your head in, the aluminium ones were more apt to slice your head in half!
Does this count
some more wastecycle for you gazsa
For the era the Octopus was from IMHO it is a tidy job,I wonder what the load consisted of some kind of “empties” maybe so it wouldn’t need fly sheeting,it is interesting to note that the load wasn’t crossed at the front but never the less was adequately secured,the lad who sheeted and roped that load new his job without a doubt ! However, the Canning artic is a load of rubbish IMO so no comment ! Cheers Dennis.
