Rockware Av. Greenford (Butler's Transport?)

It is now Wincanton “shared user” site.

Feels like it dates from the 50’s or 60’s

Does anyone know anything about it? Who it was originally built for/by and when? Looking around there are old signs along one wall saying Butler’s Transport Only and I used to load out of a door with Pernot Ricard signs.

The bakery site next door has been knocked down recently and it is surrounded by shiny new industrial units. Makes me wonder how much time it has left.

It is a good place to work out of and I just wondered if anyone could shed any light on its history.

I am fairly sure it was built as ,and always was a Customs Bonded warehouse. We used to run wine and spirits in and out of there in the 1980’s. We picked up full loads of cased wine from different points in Germany on the Mosel and the Rhine , all handball into our tilt trailers and unloaded the same way at Greenford, if the drivers gave a hand at the German end, you always got a case or two of white wine for yourselves. I also ran full loads of vintage Port in there for deep storage for IDV and Sandemans.

think it was always known as “butlers warehouse”… Rockware glass factory was down there somewhere ?

Hi all.If it’s the same Place i’m thinking of [long time ago] wasn’t it called Greenford I C D.[internal customs depot].We used to tip and load bonded loads there in the early and mid 70s.They had there own customs people on place.

If it’s the same Butlers at Greenford that I’m thinking of then I think they also had an outlet at Wigan. Both sites were called Butlers and carried the P&O logo.

I remember the very first time I went into London, mid to late 80’s. I was to collect a load from BRS at Brentford but it wasn’t due in till the evening. The manager came to me and told me that I was to do a London local. My heart sank, I told him that it was my 1st ever trip into London and that I didn’t even know where I was never mind anywhere else.

I think he felt for me as he said, never mind then, it’s Butlers at Greenford and you won’t find it. I couldn’t believe it, on the way into BRS I had seen Butlers with the P&O logo and it had stuck. I told him and took it but of all the places the load could have been for, it was for the only place in the whole capital, that I new the way too. What were the chances eh??

When I worked for "Dodd’s " late 80s i would drop a trailer there on nights loaded with pharmaceuticals and pick a trailer up from Hitachi and the security used to ring you about every 30 minutes to check everything was O K until you arrived at the destination.
cheers Johnnie

dally1:
If it’s the same Butlers at Greenford that I’m thinking of then I think they also had an outlet at Wigan. Both sites were called Butlers and carried the P&O logo.

Yes, that’s the one. Door 25 still known as the P&O door

jimcab:
think it was always known as “butlers warehouse”… Rockware glass factory was down there somewhere ?

Didn’t know the road name was a connection with Rockware glass, interesting. Wonder where that was… possibly off down the other end on the other side of Greenford Road though you have Tata Beverages at the other end too.

Been going there on and off for about 7yrs. Lots of Cash and Carry work. Tilts and containers inbound. I used to collect from the Fullers Smith &Turners Brewery in Chiswick as well as onward delivery though they lost that.

Still a bonded warehouse but all sorts of oddments in there as well. Woolworths were there when they went bust, spent a day taking some of their vehicles to a depot where they were collecting them all up.

They’ve got Screwfix, Carpets, Tyres as well as loads more, even Serco prisoner transport. Quite a mish mash of a place.

Oh and Dally, easy to find! Just off the A40 and you can’t miss it. :laughing:

I worked at Butlers back in 1976 - 77 when I was a young fella, new import from Oz. Used to live in West Ealing and catch the little diesel train to Greenford. Back then it was called Butler’s Warehousing & Distribution Ltd, and claimed it was the largest covered warehouse in Europe. All of the warehouses to the left of the central alley, as you faced from Greenford station, were devoted to bulk tea imports, and used to smell lovely, except in summer when the tannin used to be overpowering. I worked as a reach forklift driver in the warehouses on the right which were half devoted to stock for Debenham’s stores (don’t know if they still exist; haven’t been back to Pommie since 1978), which I used to pull out of the racks and assemble into delivery truck loads, and half devoted to bulk biscuits and soft drink. Used to use Monotrol Hysters to load and unload them onto and off 40 footers.
I’ve still got the recommendation they wrote me dated 29/9/1978…it was tucked inside the old passport. They address on it was PO Box 14 Rockware Avenue Greenford.
Drove my first truck for Butler’s too, and wrecked my first parked cars!

Looking on Google Maps I can see that the warehouses are still there and are called Wincanton at the front, but I can’t see through the trees to see who’s using the rear end where I used to work. They were certainly built to last; I think they were 30 years old when I was there in the '70s. Memory plays funny tricks though, and I can’t even recall that pub on the corner, and I’m sure I would have gone in for a beer or two. I also thought there was some sort of hospital where Tata Beverages is, because I used to sneak into its staff cafe late at night. I blame lead in petrol fumes and anno domini.

But Butler’s was a strange company then. So was England too!! James Callaghan and 50 quid for 50 hours. Nobody wanted to work, except for Ozzie and Kiwi imports. Butlers had a penny a pallet bonus for forkies, but then refused to pay it to me because I loaded and unloaded every truck that came in while the other forkies played dominos. They put two extra Debenhams trucks on to load on night shift and added two hours of overtime to the start of the shift, because it was load and finish. I found that if I worked hard enough I could finish all the trucks inside the two hours overtime and go home before my shift actually started…They didn’t like that much either.

All of Debenhams electonics were kept in a security cage, but that didn’t stop pallets of them going missing. So being Australian and on night shift, they sent the Ds around to turn my house over. Wasted time, I knew how the pallets were getting out, on their precious day shift. Still, enough was enough, and I didn’t mind when they started retrenching in 1977. I moved onto Joseph Lucas (Prince of Darkness), at Acton, until the time came to go home to Oz and reacquire my true accent.

Still driving 40 years later, but now it’s something a bit bigger than a TK Bedford. It’s 25m bdoubles now, Melbourne, Victoria to Moree in NSW Australia, 1220 km in 15 hours (for AUD556 a leg or about GBP330 per day). I blame my career choice on Butlers. The smell of diesel gets into the pores and never comes out. Still it’s a good life if you like listening to music and talking books, swearing at motorists and caravanners and running over Australia’s national emblem. Got another one this week. The roos are a bit young and silly this time of year and there’s a limit to how far you can swing a bdouble to try and miss them.