Apologies for the sarcasm, thought this was some sort of a wind up. But if what you say happened is accurate then obviously the driver of the 7.5t was in the wrong. But I find it hard to believe that the artic drivers employer are using evidence against him because surely that would mean they would have to claim off their own insurance to pay for damage which would be a bit stupid would it not?
Whatever happened to the rule “Give way to traffic from the right”. Isn’t this supposed to mean sliproads and roundabouts.
Surely all this person has to do is take a copy of the highway code to the discilpilnary and state that rule.
As far as I’m concerned it’s a giveway at the end of the slip road and therefore always the one, no matter what vehicle they’re driving that’s coming down the slip road to sort themselves out getting onto the carriageway. Hopefully getting some help from the people already on it if possible.
But remember the arclid driver who pushed the car along the A1 for a while, after she just pulled off the slip road into him, he didn’t get done in the end but they did go after him
This has come up before countless times on TruckNet. What really grates me is when a procession of vehicles are coming down the slip road, then I feel “obliged” to move over even though some ■■■■■■ in an Audi will be hammering up behind me.
What to do? Slam on in lane one, cut up the nob in the Audi or just plough on and let those on the slip sort themselves out come what may. The worst ones for this are ■■■■■ in white vans IMHO.
Someone above said that if you saw a clear carriageway around a vehicle that hadn’t moved over for you, you would think them a berk. Why? Why should he move over?
This whole thing is just being perpetuated even by professional drivers on here.
A bloke on here some time ago said he now NEVER moves over for anyone, his arse must be twitching with a convoy of several artics pounding along the slip.
Edit: It was The Moaster he said about the berk thing…
All sounds good to me like the artic driver should be in the clear if someone hit him in the side. But tellingly he’s up for a disciplinary with his forward facing camera being used against him? Somethings wrong here surely, have we got the full story? I’ll bet a pound to a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ the video reveals a 7.5T on the nearside just infront or almost and the lorry just hitting it instead of taking some action to avoid it, like just easing off a bit. After all its a giveway and he’s in the right.
A professional driver 
would of anticipated 
joining traffic from an entry slip 
indicated right, 
and moved out, WITHOUT anyone slowing down! ROADCRAFT DEAR, ROADCRAFT! 
in the real world it’s stobrats fault as his hi viz passport said he was an EE! £2.50 an hour thank you!
Bazza I made the berk comment in reference to expecting a fellow professional to move across to let me enter the carriageway if it was at all possible for him to do so (traffic willing of course).
I’d expect that 'cos I still cling to old fashioned ideas such as courtesy and camaraderie. Obviously I spend much of my days in a state of constant disappointment as it rarely happens nowadays. The important thing though is that I said I’d be prepared to slow to drop in behind the vehicle already on the carriageway, regardless of whether he moved across or not.
jay0:
Apologies for the sarcasm, thought this was some sort of a wind up. But if what you say happened is accurate then obviously the driver of the 7.5t was in the wrong. But I find it hard to believe that the artic drivers employer are using evidence against him because surely that would mean they would have to claim off their own insurance to pay for damage which would be a bit stupid would it not?
Are they just trying to get rid of a driver? Harsh.
The forward-facing camera may show what was happening in lane two before the junction, but they can’t see to the side or backwards - they may have been a developing situation in lane two - it is an overtaking lane after all.
Segensworth M27 traffic joining is nose to tail, typical scenario, everyday occurrence. Forces everything to a crawl. Maybe worth considering closing lane 1 off a mile before to allow slip-road to join and preserve traffic flow. Wonder if a traffic planner ever thought of that?
rivits:
The artic driver is up in front of the Kangaroo Court tomorrow for a discilpilnary for not doing enough to avoid tha accident. His truck had a forward facing camera which his employers are using against HIM!!! And of course all the [zb] calling the shots have never sat their arse in a truck in their lives but they know it all!!!
From this I would presume the camera saw some of the 7.5t vehicle merging from the left. For this to happen I would expect the 7.5t vehicle was partially in front of the artic, how far would be down to the video but I would presume about 1/2 way and accelerating.
Now allowing for the fact that DC slip roads are shorter than Mway ones and that the artic is limited to 50mph and the 7.5t vehicle can acheive 60mph (unless restricted) I would surmise that the 7.5t vehicle by the end of the slip road thought he could make it…in this scenario if I was the artic driver in question I would have eased off to let / assist the 7.5t vehicle to join the carriageway. I wouldn’t have wanted to do but hey will all do things we don’t want to in order to have an easier day.
This non event would then soon be forgoten and replaced by the next non event at the next slip road.
I would even envisage the artic driver feeling he was the larger vehicle thought to himself whilst this predicatable event unfolded: “I’m not letting you in, cheeky bugger” followed by “Ha knew that would happen, I will get away this”… followed by “well that was silly of me now i’ve ruined my day”.
Being in the right is one thing, being a professional driver and assisting other road users to avoid the paperwork hassle is totally different.
Dipper_Dave:
Being in the right is one thing, being a professional driver and assisting other road users to avoid the paperwork hassle is totally different.
Yes indeed.
A few seconds of easing off whilst thinking “wazzock/muppet/obscenity of choice” is much less time than filling out forms, giving statements to the Police, possibly looking for another job…
Going by my own observations the idea that traffic on the main carriageway has priority went out years ago. The entry slip road at j19 anti-clockwise on M25 was proof of that, those on the M25 had to give way to those joining it.
I recall years ago when working for SOL, our supervisor was driving one day and a woman complained that he didn’t give way to her as she joined the motorway.
The Sarge:
puddlejumper. Slip road is there to match your speed to existing traffic and merge safely. You’re welcome
Wrong information and it’s posting stuff like that which has them sat at the side of you all the way along it. The correct etiquette for joining a motorway is as per the Highway Code :
Highway Code:
- give priority to traffic already on the motorway
- check the traffic on the motorway and adjust your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
Take union rep with them, and then sue for bullying etc.
threewheelsonmywagon:
Dipper_Dave:
Being in the right is one thing, being a professional driver and assisting other road users to avoid the paperwork hassle is totally different.Yes indeed.
A few seconds of easing off whilst thinking “wazzock/muppet/obscenity of choice” is much less time than filling out forms, giving statements to the Police, possibly looking for another job…
3rd that, just ease off or move over and you have done your good deed for the day, sure the other driver was in the wrong and totally messed up, but it would have been quite easy to help him/her out.
Left hand down!:
The Sarge:
puddlejumper. Slip road is there to match your speed to existing traffic and merge safely. You’re welcomeWrong information and it’s posting stuff like that which has them sat at the side of you all the way along it. The correct etiquette for joining a motorway is as per the Highway Code :
Highway Code:
- give priority to traffic already on the motorway
- check the traffic on the motorway and adjust your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
So, because I said “match” and not “adjust” makes me completely wrong, does it? 
Can you spell “pedant” without having to copy & paste?
“merge safely” and “join safely” have the same meaning. 
If you don’t match your speed to the speed of the traffic on the main carriageway then you either ram the vehicle in front of get rammed by the vehicle behind.
If the traffic is flowing at, say, 42mph then you have to join at 42mph.
I do miss the days when 99.99% of drivers (and a lot of cars) used to let you out, let you in, flash you in and out, and be courteous and empathic towards each other as a matter of course (not THAT long ago either) call me old fashioned but I still try to do so, as do a lot of others.
However we have the dicks with HGV licences driving 7.5 to 44 tonnes nowadays, you pull out to let them out and they leave you sat in the middle lane alongside them like a spare prick ,but I still continue to pull out (when safe obviously) to let them out, because if I don’t it puts me in the same ■■■■ poor driver category as them, only resulting in making one more of those ■■■■■■■■ s and one less of us 
robroy:
I do miss the days when 99.99% of drivers (and a lot of cars) used to let you out, let you in, flash you in and out, and be courteous and empathic towards each other as a matter of course (not THAT long ago either) call me old fashioned but I still try to do so, as do a lot of others.
However we have the dicks with HGV licences driving 7.5 to 44 tonnes nowadays, you pull out to let them out and they leave you sat in the middle lane alongside them like a spare prick
+1
robroy:
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robroy:
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