it has the 280 RR, rto-9509A, and a KIRKSTALL 13T axle. it is the same truck as a 75t venturer, with the off speck wheel rims, 38mm wheel nuts, Dunlop anti skid, and the spicer heavy duty prop shaft, thicker chassis rails, the 5th wheel was the cat 3 type, witch bends boths ways. the gross design weight is 45,730KG but when it was in service it run at 37340Kg. AND may i add there was allot of hard work and money put into this truck, there is no such thing as a simple restoration, the cab was a right mess, the back panel was completley refabricated. any of you any good at welding and forming metal? then get to work with the wood work, so the door closes with the old train clunk, not sticking or any gaps at the door tops, any coach builders on here? then to the panels, re firbreglassing, then shape and sand them, any bodypanelers? painters? trying to put the windows in so they dont bounce out on the road. the engine over hauled, injectors tested and set up so the engine cracks and is responsive, new radiator, new alternator. The rear axle ■■■■■■■ oil out, so fathem out how to put the right shims in the right place, new 5th wheel and run up ramps, then start with the brakes. all this is time and money… the mirrors are right and wrong, in her working life it started out with the small poxy mirrors on, witch on to days roads are not safe. in service she had one of the same as she has now, and on the other side metal backed double mirror with wide angle. i have looked for a pair of this type of mirror for 3years now with no joy. i think that the next time you are at a rally, you should take into acount that the truck, how ever ruff or unoriginal or shiny it is loved by some one!!!
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
STRAIGHT EIGHT:
reckon that would’ve been the 220 Roller in that with a 10 spd Fuller with the dreaded “Group” rear axle.Ahem… look up a few posts…
280 turbo Rolls, RTO-9509
And presumably, Dennis, the gear it was pulling was fairly heavy, though I’ve no idea what weight.
Hiya Chris,I find it hard to believe that a 4X2 was plated for 45 ton even if that poxy group axle was capable of running at that weight! I’d have thought a 6x2 would have been the motor for that G V weight. Unless of course,with it been a nationalised industry it was taxed as a heavy locomotive or industrial plant and outside C & U regs? regards Dennis.
Perhaps it would fall outside of C&U, being dedicated to something abnormal & indivisible, and for emergency purposes only. It even had blue lights on it before it was restored. And its design weight and date of build makes it the only Borderer I’ve seen that could legally operate at 38 tonnes without any mods!
The Atkinson literature used to refer to the Borderer being available for 45T GCW, for operating under Special Types regs. There is one preserved that still carries the Special Types plate for 45T, though it is still described on its chassis plate as a T3446C i.e 34T gross, whereas the NCB one is a T4546RR. Real anorak stuff, eh?
240 Gardner:
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
STRAIGHT EIGHT:
reckon that would’ve been the 220 Roller in that with a 10 spd Fuller with the dreaded “Group” rear axle.Ahem… look up a few posts…
280 turbo Rolls, RTO-9509
And presumably, Dennis, the gear it was pulling was fairly heavy, though I’ve no idea what weight.
Hiya Chris,I find it hard to believe that a 4X2 was plated for 45 ton even if that poxy group axle was capable of running at that weight! I’d have thought a 6x2 would have been the motor for that G V weight. Unless of course,with it been a nationalised industry it was taxed as a heavy locomotive or industrial plant and outside C & U regs? regards Dennis.
Perhaps it would fall outside of C&U, being dedicated to something abnormal & indivisible, and for emergency purposes only. It even had blue lights on it before it was restored. And its design weight and date of build makes it the only Borderer I’ve seen that could legally operate at 38 tonnes without any mods!
The Atkinson literature used to refer to the Borderer being available for 45T GCW, for operating under Special Types regs. There is one preserved that still carries the Special Types plate for 45T, though it is still described on its chassis plate as a T3446C i.e 34T gross, whereas the NCB one is a T4546RR. Real anorak stuff, eh?
it has always been plated for 32t, so i asked the chap at vosa about it, and he said that they would not bother it. like you say emergency purposes it was exempt. it could also be run on red diesel, although i dont think it ever was.
road-ranger:
240 Gardner:
Bewick:
240 Gardner:
STRAIGHT EIGHT:
reckon that would’ve been the 220 Roller in that with a 10 spd Fuller with the dreaded “Group” rear axle.Ahem… look up a few posts…
280 turbo Rolls, RTO-9509
And presumably, Dennis, the gear it was pulling was fairly heavy, though I’ve no idea what weight.
Hiya Chris,I find it hard to believe that a 4X2 was plated for 45 ton even if that poxy group axle was capable of running at that weight! I’d have thought a 6x2 would have been the motor for that G V weight. Unless of course,with it been a nationalised industry it was taxed as a heavy locomotive or industrial plant and outside C & U regs? regards Dennis.
Perhaps it would fall outside of C&U, being dedicated to something abnormal & indivisible, and for emergency purposes only. It even had blue lights on it before it was restored. And its design weight and date of build makes it the only Borderer I’ve seen that could legally operate at 38 tonnes without any mods!
The Atkinson literature used to refer to the Borderer being available for 45T GCW, for operating under Special Types regs. There is one preserved that still carries the Special Types plate for 45T, though it is still described on its chassis plate as a T3446C i.e 34T gross, whereas the NCB one is a T4546RR. Real anorak stuff, eh?
it has always been plated for 32t, so i asked the chap at vosa about it, and he said that they would not bother it. like you say emergency purposes it was exempt. it could also be run on red diesel, although i dont think it ever was.
Indeed so, as everything was prior to May 1983 under C&U, but its relative youth means that it’s legally capable of being re-plated to 38 tonnes
road-ranger:
it has the 280 RR, rto-9509A, and a KIRKSTALL 13T axle. it is the same truck as a 75t venturer, with the off speck wheel rims, 38mm wheel nuts, Dunlop anti skid, and the spicer heavy duty prop shaft, thicker chassis rails, the 5th wheel was the cat 3 type, witch bends boths ways. the gross design weight is 45,730KG but when it was in service it run at 37340Kg. AND may i add there was allot of hard work and money put into this truck, there is no such thing as a simple restoration, the cab was a right mess, the back panel was completley refabricated. any of you any good at welding and forming metal? then get to work with the wood work, so the door closes with the old train clunk, not sticking or any gaps at the door tops, any coach builders on here? then to the panels, re firbreglassing, then shape and sand them, any bodypanelers? painters? trying to put the windows in so they dont bounce out on the road. the engine over hauled, injectors tested and set up so the engine cracks and is responsive, new radiator, new alternator. The rear axle ■■■■■■■ oil out, so fathem out how to put the right shims in the right place, new 5th wheel and run up ramps, then start with the brakes. all this is time and money… the mirrors are right and wrong, in her working life it started out with the small poxy mirrors on, witch on to days roads are not safe. in service she had one of the same as she has now, and on the other side metal backed double mirror with wide angle. i have looked for a pair of this type of mirror for 3years now with no joy. i think that the next time you are at a rally, you should take into acount that the truck, how ever ruff or unoriginal or shiny it is loved by some one!!!
I’m with you on all of that - I’ve been through Atkinson cab rebuilds, though they were master-minded by a skilled, professional coachbuilder and who, of course, had some input into the Mines Rescue lorry too. I was very good at making the tea. Well, OK, I made the tea anyway.