My boy works for a national bus company doing local work and working as I understand under UK rules no need for tacho etc. the question is he finished at 00:05 last ight and was told to start this morning at 08:05. This is only 8hrs rest is this legal. I know nothing re bus regs
No-as far as I can remember(it’s been a while since I drove buses,thank god!!!) you still need a minimum of 9 hours rest.
AFAIAA tacho’s are needed for bus/coach work unless it is a timetabled route within 50km of base.
Therefore I’d think he was subject to the daily rest requirements and 8 hours ain’t enough.
Quigg:
My boy works for a national bus company doing local work and working as I understand under UK rules no need for tacho etc. the question is he finished at 00:05 last ight and was told to start this morning at 08:05. This is only 8hrs rest is this legal. I know nothing re bus regs
If he is under UK domestic regs then the maximum DUTY time in a 24 hour period is 11 hours begnning from the start of DUTY time
I cannot find a daily rest requirement stated in the domestic regs
The WTD says -
Workers aged 18 and over should have a minimum 11 hours’ rest between each working day,
note the word SHOULD and not MUST
There may be other regs that I have not considered so perhaps a site regs GURU such as tachograph or coffeeholic will be needed here 
Rog I done 13 hour shifts on local buses on domestic
Steve-o:
Rog I done 13 hour shifts on local buses on domestic
How much DUTY time in those shifts?
ROG:
Steve-o:
Rog I done 13 hour shifts on local buses on domesticHow much DUTY time in those shifts?
10 - 11 hours iirc.
If the driver is on a regular service with a route that does not exceed 50 km (not including the return journey) then he will be on domestic rules which require a daily rest of 10 hours which can be reduced to 8.5 hours up-to three times a week.
This is assuming that he drives for more than 4 hours per day, if less than 4 hours daily driving is done during the week then he’s exempt from domestic rules.
If he’s not on a regular service of no more than 50 km then EU rules apply and the daily rest requirements are the same as goods vehicles.
Domestic driving limits
Driving is defined as being at the controls of a vehicle for the purposes of controlling its movement, whether it is moving or stationary with the engine running, even for a short period of time.
Breaks and continuous driving
-After 5.5 hours of driving a break of at least 30 minutes must be taken in which the driver is able to obtain rest and refreshment.-Alternatively, within any period of 8.5 hours in the working day, total breaks amounting to at least 45 minutes are taken so that the driver does not drive for more than 7 hours and 45 minutes. The driver must in addition have a break of at least 30 minutes to obtain rest or refreshment at the end of this period, unless it is the end of the working day.
Daily driving
In any working day, the maximum amount of driving is 10 hours. The daily driving limit applies to time spent at the wheel, actually driving, and includes any driving done under EU or AETR rules.
Day: Is the period between two daily rest periods, or a daily rest period and a weekly rest period.GB domestic rules
The following exemptions apply to drivers who would otherwise be subject to the GB domestic rules:
-If they do not drive for more than 4 hours a day in any week, drivers are exempt from any GB domestic rules for that week.-If they drive for more than 4 hours for up to two days in any week, they are still exempt from the rules, but on these two days:
Length of working day (‘spreadover’)
A driver should work no more than 16 hours between the times of starting and finishing work (including
work other than driving and off-duty periods during the working day).Daily rest periods
A continuous rest of 10 hours must be taken between two consecutive working days. This can be
reduced to 8.5 hours up to three times a week.
Steve-o:
ROG:
Steve-o:
Rog I done 13 hour shifts on local buses on domesticHow much DUTY time in those shifts?
10 - 11 hours iirc.
Legal
Thanks for that tachograph - where did you find that quote as I seemed to have missed it in the VOSA regs I have 
tachograph:
Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs (Passenger-carrying vehicles in the UK and Europe)
Thanks - I did not know that there were different ones for this - I do now
Thanks all for you info passed on to my boy so he does get the ■■■■■■ on again
now this is where elf an safty comes in
i would say on leaving that you have made h&s decision and you will be in
in about 10 hours
which will be time to get home wind down time
8 hours sleep
then the 3 S S S and roll into work
very reasonable
hitch:
now this is where elf an safty comes in
i would say on leaving that you have made h&s decision and you will be in
in about 10 hours
which will be time to get home wind down time
8 hours sleep
then the 3 S S S and roll into work
very reasonable
I did a 12mth sentence 
for Arriva in Durham about 7 yrs ago. We had fixed rotas in place which allowed us to see what shifts we would be doing upto 26 weeks in advance. We also had a few midnight finishes followed by a 8am start. The only exceptions to this were the lads on a rota specifically for runs over 50km, known as the EU rota.
The rotas were all planned in order to ensure complete adhesion to Domestic regs, if you had gone in and said that you weren’t doing it on grounds of H&S they would either give you a warning or find a way of getting rid you!
Hi there my girlfriend drives local buses in Edinburgh and they must have 8 and a half hours rest between shifts.