You may remember my last thread about the run away trailer, in that thread some mentioned reporting it to HSE. Its been over a week or more now and I’ve heard nothing from the office about whats going to happen. The yard is still as chaotic as ever, trailers as still being left in the middle of the yard and the subcontracter in question is still pulling our trailers.
Now, I’ve never had to do anything like this before so I don’t know what the process is. I’m expecting some person from HSE will come and investigate the yard and obviously speak to management about it but will they need to speak to me? I don’t really want to single myself out as the one that “dobbed” the company in so to speak.
Did you report it to the HSE?
I doubt they will come in to investigate unless there was an injury to someone or there has been a lot of near misses,if it’s a isolated incident then they won’t be too interested.
Swampey2418:
First of all has it been reported to HSE ?
Or is it yet another dangerous occurrence that gets sweep under the carpet…
I don’t know, I’ve heard nothing from the office, no signs or warnings have gone up about it. A month or so ago we had someone write off two cars as he coupled up without putting the park brake on the unit. Soon as the red line went on, the combination rolled forward into a line of parked office cars.
Radar have you actually seen risk assessments and I mean there is more than one that covers this situation…have you see the H&S file when you started… …Do you know who deals with H&S within the business… have you has any H&S training that you have signed for…■■?
I doubt they will come in to investigate unless there was an injury to someone or there has been a lot of near misses
Absolute horlicks…
Any borough council H&S department has a duty of care to investigate any business property, in this case I’m more than sure due to the high risk factor of possible injury then if it has been reported then expect a visit…
Sorry to ask so many questions mate…Done a hell of a lot H&S in a previous existence
Swampey2418:
Radar have you actually seen risk assessments and I mean there is more than one that covers this situation…have you see the H&S file when you started… …Do you know who deals with H&S within the business… have you has any H&S training that you have signed for…■■?
I doubt they will come in to investigate unless there was an injury to someone or there has been a lot of near misses
Absolute horlicks…
Any borough council H&S department has a duty of care to investigate any business property, in this case I’m more than sure due to the high risk factor of possible injury then if it has been reported then expect a visit…
Sorry to ask so many questions mate…Done a hell of a lot H&S in a previous existence
Not if the company has risk assessments in place and the near miss was caused by human error,the company can hardly be held responsible for some dopey ■■■■ messing up a trailer swap.
OMG sounds as though you employers needs closing down…basic lack of H&S that is required by law…
To be honest if this near miss is happening, if I was in your shoes get in touch with the local borough council department… raise the concerns of the lack of H&S and the recent situations…thus will generate an business inspection…
During any inspection the advisor will want to see a paper trail and good practices of H&S… If not the inspect can / could slap an infringement notice on the company to cease all trading operations until they bring any requirements up to date and show good H&S practices, have all the paperwork in place and any recommendations of improvements undertaken even before they will consider lifting the infringement…then it is also decided if the owners are to be prosecuted…
OK so everyone has a driving license and should know what they are doing… but its not how H&S see it, they view training is a essential part of H&S …
Not if the company has risk assessments in place and the near miss was caused by human error,the company can hardly be held responsible for some dopey [zb] messing up a trailer swap.
Doesn’t matter how many risk assessments are in place … its deemed a dangerous occurrence and is report-able under RIDDOR… some ppl would argue that no one was off work or injured but its best to report it to cover your own back…
People need to realize that H&S is everyone’s responsibility and not just the company owners
Not if the company has risk assessments in place and the near miss was caused by human error,the company can hardly be held responsible for some dopey [zb] messing up a trailer swap.
Doesn’t matter how many risk assessments are in place … its deemed a dangerous occurrence and is report-able under RIDDOR… some ppl would argue that no one was off work or injured but its best to report it to cover your own back…
People need to realize that H&S is everyone’s responsibility and not just the company owners
Not if the company has risk assessments in place and the near miss was caused by human error,the company can hardly be held responsible for some dopey [zb] messing up a trailer swap.
Doesn’t matter how many risk assessments are in place … its deemed a dangerous occurrence and is report-able under RIDDOR… some ppl would argue that no one was off work or injured but its best to report it to cover your own back…
People need to realize that H&S is everyone’s responsibility and not just the company owners
The company is responsible for writing risk assessments AND ensuring they are followed. Just putting a risk assessment on the wall and then doing nothing else would not be enough for covering them in an accident. They need to show people are trained AND following process.
They have a responsibility to investigate any accidents/near misses to identify the causes and prevent re occurrence. It doesn’t sound like any investigation has taken place/corrective actions put in place. This sounds like a serious breach. I wouldn’t want to be in charge if a H&S inspector turns up and see that happening after it has been reported
xichrisxi:
Not if the company has risk assessments in place and the near miss was caused by human error,the company can hardly be held responsible for some dopey [zb] messing up a trailer swap.
I’m sorry but that is a very misguided view.
I have personally been through the subsequent investigation of a combination roll away where the driver left the hand brake off in the tractor. I was interviewed under caution etc etc. The end result was the company found guilty.
The company has a legal obligation to ensure the safety of the employees which means preventing these incidents
Swampey2418:
First of all has it been reported to HSE ?
Or is it yet another dangerous occurrence that gets sweep under the carpet…
I don’t know, I’ve heard nothing from the office, no signs or warnings have gone up about it. A month or so ago we had someone write off two cars as he coupled up without putting the park brake on the unit. Soon as the red line went on, the combination rolled forward into a line of parked office cars.
So it’s worrying you that much you have started two theads about it, but not enough to report it.
Swampey2418:
First of all has it been reported to HSE ?
Or is it yet another dangerous occurrence that gets sweep under the carpet…
I don’t know, I’ve heard nothing from the office, no signs or warnings have gone up about it. A month or so ago we had someone write off two cars as he coupled up without putting the park brake on the unit. Soon as the red line went on, the combination rolled forward into a line of parked office cars.
So it’s worrying you that much you have started two theads about it, but not enough to report it.
OP did report it to his office. He says that he has had no response or seen any corrective action and so is asking advice. He admits he doesn’t know the process so is unsure if nothing is happening or is just a slow process to work through. Probably worrying about reporting it and looking silly if they turned round and said we are already investigating. Whats unreasonable there?
He clearly is concerned and hopefully when sees this will take the advice to report it personally.
But he has been on here twice asking about someone else reporting it to the HSE so it’s worrying him, why not just pick the phone up and do it himself not leave it to someone else. As i put last week it was just one of those things that happen drivers do make mistakes if everything gets reported nothing will get done.
mac12:
But he has been on here twice asking about someone else reporting it to the HSE so it’s worrying him, why not just pick the phone up and do it himself not leave it to someone else. As i put last week it was just one of those things that happen drivers do make mistakes if everything gets reported nothing will get done.
I am sorry but I don’t think you get the point. OP has fulfilled HIS legal responsibilities by reporting the matter to the office. He is concerned as he has seen no improvement. He is asking advice what to do next as he does not know the process. Good for him for admitting it! Hopefully he will report it. Why people are so down on someone admitting they don’t know something is beyond me.
Regards the reporting everything, he was concerned about the way vehicles are parking in the yard, not just the incident with the trailer. 1 near miss happens as everyone makes mistakes but if it is frequent he is entitled to be concerned. If nothing is reported, nothing will improve and near misses will keep happening. Next time someone may not be so lucky. How would you feel if that person was someone you care about?
Radar by the sounds of your company they have basically taken your complaint and put it in the waste bin.
The fact that nothing has been done and there has been another incident of a runaway vehicle, would suggest they haven’t really bothered looking at what is going on. The truck hitting the office staff cars probably worried them more as it cost them money, your incident was cost free.
The problem is a lot of companies, pay lip service to H&S, plenty of paperwork, signs, forms to be filled, they see it as an arse covering exercise, but fail to implement and enforce simple systems that ensures everybody gets home in one piece.
Radar19:
You may remember my last thread about the run away trailer, in that thread some mentioned reporting it to HSE. Its been over a week or more now and I’ve heard nothing from the office about whats going to happen. The yard is still as chaotic as ever, trailers as still being left in the middle of the yard and the subcontracter in question is still pulling our trailers.
Now, I’ve never had to do anything like this before so I don’t know what the process is. I’m expecting some person from HSE will come and investigate the yard and obviously speak to management about it but will they need to speak to me? I don’t really want to single myself out as the one that “dobbed” the company in so to speak.
Who have you reported it to ? someone within your own company or to the HSE (as in HSE.gov.uk) If it is the latter I would push for an acknowledgement that they have received your complaint then leave it at that. If you have been brave enough to report it within your own company (and I take my hat off to you) then be very careful how much you push, sometimes whistle blowers are not fairly treated. I am totally on your side with this one, but do think about yourself and how you may get promoted / best trucks / best runs in the future.
mac12:
But he has been on here twice asking about someone else reporting it to the HSE so it’s worrying him, why not just pick the phone up and do it himself not leave it to someone else. As i put last week it was just one of those things that happen drivers do make mistakes if everything gets reported nothing will get done.
I am sorry but I don’t think you get the point. OP has fulfilled HIS legal responsibilities by reporting the matter to the office. He is concerned as he has seen no improvement. He is asking advice what to do next as he does not know the process. Good for him for admitting it! Hopefully he will report it. Why people are so down on someone admitting they don’t know something is beyond me.
Regards the reporting everything, he was concerned about the way vehicles are parking in the yard, not just the incident with the trailer. 1 near miss happens as everyone makes mistakes but if it is frequent he is entitled to be concerned. If nothing is reported, nothing will improve and near misses will keep happening. Next time someone may not be so lucky. How would you feel if that person was someone you care about?
I think i do get the point, he came on here 2 weeks ago with photos that are no longer there wanting the HSE to look into a mistake by a driver but will not report it himself, if you are not willing to report it forget it. The company maybe have fulfilled there legal responsibilities by asking the driver what happened or the firm he works for.
It is things like this that makes work hard comon sense tells you not to stand behind someone reversing, years ago it would be shout at the driver that he was a bit close but you would not get him into trouble over a mistake