If you refuse point blank to cross one what are if any the repercussions 
,if any ta
Just tell any one who complains that you are a Muslim. That normally scares the c**p out off them.
I have often wondered about this. I would not like to cross a picket line. In that situation I would phone my union for advice. I would ask the company for a written confirmation, signed by an officer of the company (proprietor or director), confirming that the industrial action did not jeopardize H&S or other statutory obligations. Might take a while.
In this world of every man for himself I would carry on as normal. Their dispute is with their employer and not my problem.
waddy,forty years i have been a class one driver and its ■■■■■ like you that make me cringe.our fathers and grandfathers fought to get us better working conditions along with holidays,and a few other things to try and make our lives a little better.i myself have been a lifelong union member and also stood with my mates on picket lines in the 70s and even now i would be there fighting for the sake of everyone even ■■■■■ like you who choose (to look the other way 
).sorry guys rant over.
tattiescone:
waddy,forty years i have been a class one driver and its [zb] like you that make me cringe.our fathers and grandfathers fought to get us better working conditions along with holidays,and a few other things to try and make our lives a little better.i myself have been a lifelong union member and also stood with my mates on picket lines in the 70s and even now i would be there fighting for the sake of everyone even [zb] like you who choose (to look the other way
In over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.
If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.
Just a point, how many lorry drivers are union members? very few I would guess.
waddy640:
tattiescone:
waddy,forty years i have been a class one driver and its [zb] like you that make me cringe.our fathers and grandfathers fought to get us better working conditions along with holidays,and a few other things to try and make our lives a little better.i myself have been a lifelong union member and also stood with my mates on picket lines in the 70s and even now i would be there fighting for the sake of everyone even [zb] like you who choose (to look the other wayIn over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.
If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.
+1
I was a union rep whilst working for the NHS. The unions have very little power, we would have the odd strike and get absolutely no where. Only thing that would happen is you lose a days pay. You pay your subs for what? Companies hold all the aces, don’t like your job? Leave, hundreds more will jump into it. That was basically the attitude we faced regular.
htfc1984:
waddy640:
tattiescone:
waddy,forty years i have been a class one driver and its [zb] like you that make me cringe.our fathers and grandfathers fought to get us better working conditions along with holidays,and a few other things to try and make our lives a little better.i myself have been a lifelong union member and also stood with my mates on picket lines in the 70s and even now i would be there fighting for the sake of everyone even [zb] like you who choose (to look the other wayIn over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.
If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.
+1
I was a union rep whilst working for the NHS. The unions have very little power, we would have the odd strike and get absolutely no where. Only thing that would happen is you lose a days pay. You pay your subs for what? Companies hold all the aces, don’t like your job? Leave, hundreds more will jump into it. That was basically the attitude we faced regular.
That’s my point I was in the Civil Service and after I retired they discovered an error in my pension calculations, and they immediately reduced it by 22%. I contacted my old union, that I had been a member of for nearly twenty years, and they agreed to represent me in my appeal. There were three stages of the appeal system and after the first one they wrote to me and suggested that I accept what I had been offered and be grateful.
I then took it to the next stage myself and won the appeal and had my pension reinstated to the original amount. That was the one and only occasion I asked for assistance from any union and they failed.
waddy640:
In over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Reluctantly I have to agree with you.
As an ex mine worker there where many silly trivial things they’d strike for, the Friday I signed my apprenticeship papers, the site walked out.
That afternoon I attended my 1st union meeting in my local working men’s club, where they resolved the issue amicably and decided to return to work, but my cousin who was due to work the Friday night shift proposed that the workforce shouldn’t return to work until Monday morning. That way he could go for a beer Friday night. Stuff like this was typical of the wildcat mentality of the unionised workforce in the 70’s & 80’s across several industries. During the 84-85 mine workers strike, as an apprentice a clause of my indentures didn’t allow me to strike, and I still had to attend college as part of my training. If I didn’t I was sacked. But I never received any wages for doing so. There are many other things that happened during that time, inc the hardship & poverty endured.
But eventually I decided to get out of the industry before it killed me. The mine (not far from the stockyard, is only just being shut down and filled in.
waddy640:
Just a point, how many lorry drivers are union members? very few I would guess.
But I wonder of the dozens of trucks driving through the picket lines at the Orgreave plant every day in 84-85 where union & non union members?.
waddy640:
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.
Strange you should say that, and one of the reps while I was at the mine. An electrician called Kevin Barron, was educated by the union, groomed to be a councillor, and ultimately became my local MP. He appears to have done well for himself, having been tony Blair’s parliamentary private secretary, he is also the bloke to point the finger at for the draconian anti smoking legislation. Though he did appear not to get involved in the “flipping” scandal. As he’d already made a 7 figure bank balance by then. Sadly he became a widower, but several years later remarried the late Mathew Hardings widow.
Mathew Harding if you don’t know, was a major shareholder of Chelsea FC, who was killed in a helicopter crash.
At the last parliamentary election Kevin didn’t make many local public appearances, the standing on the street corner shaking hands, kissing babies etc. the kind of stuff he did when he 1st stood for election. Instead he left the campaining to his staff.
It was only after I made the point in the local weekly rag, that we the public had more chance of spotting the scarlet pimpernel, did Kevin miraculously appear stood on a street corner outside the local supermarket for under an hour. But that’s what happpens when MP’s have safe seats. It was however a massive shock to the local Labour Party at the local elections when UKIP and the BNP ousted around 13 labour councillors out of their "safe"seats
tattiescone:
waddy,forty years i have been a class one driver and its [zb] like you that make me cringe.our fathers and grandfathers fought to get us better working conditions along with holidays,and a few other things to try and make our lives a little better.i myself have been a lifelong union member and also stood with my mates on picket lines in the 70s and even now i would be there fighting for the sake of everyone even [zb] like you who choose (to look the other way
Circumstances play a lot with this …travel from south wales to Yorkshire and meet a picket line in the 70s you went in to tip I did orgreave frightened crap outer me but we picked up electrodes so wasn’t my fight …BSC always seemed to have pickets junc 34 shepcote lane weeks at a time but we had to go there…
peirre:
waddy640:
In over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Reluctantly I have to agree with you.
As an ex mine worker there where many silly trivial things they’d strike for, the Friday I signed my apprenticeship papers, the site walked out.
That afternoon I attended my 1st union meeting in my local working men’s club, where they resolved the issue amicably and decided to return to work, but my cousin who was due to work the Friday night shift proposed that the workforce shouldn’t return to work until Monday morning. That way he could go for a beer Friday night. Stuff like this was typical of the wildcat mentality of the unionised workforce in the 70’s & 80’s across several industries. During the 84-85 mine workers strike, as an apprentice a clause of my indentures didn’t allow me to strike, and I still had to attend college as part of my training. If I didn’t I was sacked. But I never received any wages for doing so. There are many other things that happened during that time, inc the hardship & poverty endured.
But eventually I decided to get out of the industry before it killed me. The mine (not far from the stockyard, is only just being shut down and filled in.
But strangely the sight of dozens of trucks driving through the picket lines at the Orgreave plant stick in my mind.waddy640:
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.Strange you should say that, and one of the reps while I was at the mine. An electrician called Kevin Barron, was educated by the union, groomed to be a councillor, and ultimately became my local MP. He appears to have done well for himself, having been tony Blair’s parliamentary private secretary, he is also the bloke to point the finger at for the draconian anti smoking legislation. Though he did appear not to get involved in the “flipping” scandal. As he’d already made a 7 figure bank balance by then. Sadly he became a widower, but several years later remarried the late Mathew Hardings widow.
Mathew Harding if you don’t know, was a major shareholder of Chelsea FC, who was killed in a helicopter crash.
At the last parliamentary election Kevin didn’t make many local public appearances, the standing on the street corner shaking hands, kissing babies etc. the kind of stuff he did when he 1st stood for election. Instead he left the campaining to his staff.
It was only after I made the point in the local weekly rag, that we the public had more chance of spotting the scarlet pimpernel, did Kevin miraculously appear stood on a street corner outside the local supermarket for under an hour. But that’s what happpens when MP’s have safe seats. It was however a massive shock to the local Labour Party at the local elections when UKIP and the BNP ousted around 13 labour councillors out of their "safe"seats
I lived in Bermondsey, which was a “safe” Labour seat until Simon Hughes came on the scene and was seen walking round the area talking to the voters, the first candidate for years to do so and he has remained their MP because lives with the people and fights their causes.
Have we returned to 1974 or what.I cant imagine a picket line to-day,unless it was the public sector.
personally I can’t answer the question fully as I have never been put in that situation. A big problem I could see is if the company you were working for had a contract with the company that the employee’s where on strike, and you refused to cross the picket line that company could hold your company to be in breach of contract.
This in turn could lead to your company loosing the contract and possibly YOU losing your job. If you believe your convictions out way your employment to provide for your family I take my hat off to you. Personally I could not jeopardise my job for someone else’s fight 
Hiya… remember earlier this year with the IICR Sainsbury’s warehouse in Wakefield or that area i think.
Stobarts took over the warehouse transport, the Sainsburys drivers was forced to take a £3 per hour pay cut.
the chaps had a picket line and stopped transport getting in or out. Stobarts decided they could supply supermarkets
from other warehouse,s with no problem…result Warehouse closed down, the driver,s lost there jobs plus 200
other workers…now that was some sparkling action.
Euro:
I have often wondered about this. I would not like to cross a picket line. In that situation I would phone my union for advice. I would ask the company for a written confirmation, signed by an officer of the company (proprietor or director), confirming that the industrial action did not jeopardize H&S or other statutory obligations. Might take a while.
or you could try thinking for yourself, bit difficult for you that
A point that seems to be forgotten is when workers take industrial action, the effect it can have on other people who are not directly involved in the problem.
An example is RMT’s disputes with Transport for London and the many strikes that take place on the Underground. There are many thousands of people who cannot get to work due to this action and either have to take holidays or have unpaid leave because their employer, quite rightly, has no obligation to pay them if they are absent from work.
That to me is an unacceptable action and that is one of the reasons why I dislike people who take action which causes innocent bystanders problems. Workers rights are one thing but this goes beyond that.
peirre:
waddy640:
In over forty years of being a member of various unions they did very little for me.If unions are that good where are the coal miners, the dockworkers, steelworkers to name but a few. What happened to Leyland and all our big lorry and bus manufacturers? They were all ruined with the assistance of unions. The only unions with any power these days are those that hold the general public to ransom to get what they want.
Reluctantly I have to agree with you.
As an ex mine worker there where many silly trivial things they’d strike for, the Friday I signed my apprenticeship papers, the site walked out.
That afternoon I attended my 1st union meeting in my local working men’s club, where they resolved the issue amicably and decided to return to work, but my cousin who was due to work the Friday night shift proposed that the workforce shouldn’t return to work until Monday morning. That way he could go for a beer Friday night. Stuff like this was typical of the wildcat mentality of the unionised workforce in the 70’s & 80’s across several industries. During the 84-85 mine workers strike, as an apprentice a clause of my indentures didn’t allow me to strike, and I still had to attend college as part of my training. If I didn’t I was sacked. But I never received any wages for doing so. There are many other things that happened during that time, inc the hardship & poverty endured.
But eventually I decided to get out of the industry before it killed me. The mine (not far from the stockyard, is only just being shut down and filled in.waddy640:
Just a point, how many lorry drivers are union members? very few I would guess.But I wonder of the dozens of trucks driving through the picket lines at the Orgreave plant every day in 84-85 where union & non union members?.
waddy640:
Most union reps are only in it for their own personal gain.Strange you should say that, and one of the reps while I was at the mine. An electrician called Kevin Barron, was educated by the union, groomed to be a councillor, and ultimately became my local MP. He appears to have done well for himself, having been tony Blair’s parliamentary private secretary, he is also the bloke to point the finger at for the draconian anti smoking legislation. Though he did appear not to get involved in the “flipping” scandal. As he’d already made a 7 figure bank balance by then. Sadly he became a widower, but several years later remarried the late Mathew Hardings widow.
Mathew Harding if you don’t know, was a major shareholder of Chelsea FC, who was killed in a helicopter crash.
At the last parliamentary election Kevin didn’t make many local public appearances, the standing on the street corner shaking hands, kissing babies etc. the kind of stuff he did when he 1st stood for election. Instead he left the campaining to his staff.
It was only after I made the point in the local weekly rag, that we the public had more chance of spotting the scarlet pimpernel, did Kevin miraculously appear stood on a street corner outside the local supermarket for under an hour. But that’s what happpens when MP’s have safe seats. It was however a massive shock to the local Labour Party at the local elections when UKIP and the BNP ousted around 13 labour councillors out of their "safe"seats
pierre I was a mining apprentice in the big strike in the seventies and we had to go to our local training centre and the craft appreintices like you went to college and we were all paid it was an agreement between the ncb and the num that we would be as we were under age to take part in industrial action, as for the original op crossing pickett line’s is your choice I have been a union member for most of my working life and whilst I agree with some of the comment’s union’s are nowaday’s more for employment protection as their power has been diminished by the tory government’s over the last 20 or so year’s but any driver should be in a union for one the will pay any speeding /parking fine’s for you provide legal protection for you and your family which for a few pound’s a week is worth it they will always fight your corner should you need them in my opinion and going back to crossing the pickett line stop and tell the guy’s who may be fighting for ther job’s that youre behind them but you have your job to do and if you don’t make the delivery it could cost you your job don’t forget they are human to and in my experience they will gladly wave you on
I remember my Dad on the Dockers picket line in Liverpool in the 80’s, he was telling me about one guy who always just drove through the line each morning at Seaforth and as you can imagine he got a fair but of abuse.
Then just as Christmas was approaching the same guy came in one morning and this time stopped got out to face the crowd of Dockers and went to his boot and pulled out three cases of Scotch and handed them all out to the Dockers.
A bit bewildered the Dockers asked him why, the guy said he supported them and was only using the gate as it was the only access to his business within the docks that had nothing to do with the strike.
My Dad said you have never seen a bigger crowd of embarrassed divvies 
Drift:
I remember my Dad on the Dockers picket line in Liverpool in the 80’s, he was telling me about one guy who always just drove through the line each morning at Seaforth and as you can imagine he got a fair but of abuse.Then just as Christmas was approaching the same guy came in one morning and this time stopped got out to face the crowd of Dockers and went to his boot and pulled out three cases of Scotch and handed them all out to the Dockers.
A bit bewildered the Dockers asked him why, the guy said he supported them and was only using the gate as it was the only access to his business within the docks that had nothing to do with the strike.
My Dad said you have never seen a bigger crowd of embarrassed divvies
Divvie thats proper Scouse