Refund for HGV training

Hi everyone,

When I booked my class 1 training with J Coates in May (which was a disaster as I posted here), I had also booked with Surrey & Hampshire LGV Training, which has depots in Fleet, Hants and Chobham, Surrey, both of which are fairly convenient for me. I paid £1,049 for four days’ training plus a test. However, the following day they rang me back and told me that I couldn’t have the days I booked because they had taken the vehicle out of service, as there were problems with it related to the weight it was now having to carry because of the new regulations, which was reducing its pass rate. I immediately called other schools and found J Coates who could book the same days I had booked with S&H. I therefore called S&H later in the day and said I had found training elsewhere and would need a refund.

She said she would have to “open a case” and this involved me printing out a form with my bank account details and sending it to them in the post, which I did. However, the day before my test, which was about three weeks later (with the money still not paid), I contacted them and asked them to put a hold on the refund because I may need to use their services if I failed the test. I did not get a response to this. However, when I did fail, I decided to go back to Wallace, which meant I needed my money refunded. I tried calling the company but could not get through to customer services; when I called the number all I got was some guy who said he was one of the trainers waiting for a customer (which sounded a lot like a ■■■■-and-bull story to me). However, he said he would pass the information on.

By 27th June the money still had not been paid and I wrote them an email that asked them to pay promptly or I would have to take legal action. Their “customer service” agent, Maria Casas, wrote to say she had not paid the refund because I had asked her to put it on hold, and that if I still wanted a refund she would have to “make another offer”. I then heard nothing until I wrote to her on 4th August. She then sent me another “offer” for only only £419! This is supposedly because their “terms and conditions” state that there was a “cancellation fee” of 60% if I cancel after more than a month. (Note: I cancelled after less than one day.) However, I paid the original money on condition of services rendered; I asked for a refund the day after, with no services either rendered or offered, as no new dates had been agreed.

Does anyone know if I still have the right to a full refund? I am asking if people actually know what the law states, i.e. can they impose a “cancellation fee” in these circumstances? I had not booked dates and then cancelled at short notice, the usual reasons for a cancellation fee. In addition, if they had just refunded my money promptly, without requiring me to jump through hoops, they would not still have had my money by the time I failed that test. They had accepted my money over the phone without my seeing or accepting any such terms. I don’t see why they couldn’t just refund it onto the same debit card, as most companies do, or just sending a cheque to my address.

Also, the day I first cancelled, I got a phone-call while at work from the same guy who first took my money. He angrily demanded to know why I had cancelled, basically accused me of lying about the reasons (I gave the excuse that JC had artics rather than drawbars, but the real reasons were [a] JC were offering the same dates and I had lost confidence in them because they had been willing to book me on a vehicle that had problems affecting its pass rates). He just would not get off the phone, even when I told him it was my perfect right to cancel.
I’ve been advised to go to the Small Claims Court - just wondering if I have a case. Again, I need people who know the law.

Contact your card provider, you may be able to claim a refund through them. It’ll take a while but you’ve tried to deal with the training company and they don’t want to know.
You get more protection paying by credit card rather than debit card.

Can you not go down the track of they did not provide what you paid for as it was them that originally cancelled surely that is the reason for the cancellation , they changed the terms and conditions by cancelling the course you booked so a refund should be given on them grounds :bulb:

This is from the WHICH website

If you’re buying a service, such as gym membership or a cleaning service, you can usually cancel up to seven working days from the day after you enter into the contract.

But there are some contracts you can’t cancel simply because you change your mind, including:
-contracts for transport and some leisure services to be provided on a specific date eg hotel bookings, flights, car hire, concert and other event tickets
-contracts for services where you agreed to the service starting before the seven working days has expired - as long as the seller has provided all the information detailed above

If the seller has failed to comply with the requirements to provide information, Distance Selling Regulations mean that your right to cancel doesn’t end until seven working days from the day after the seller does comply.

This is up to a maximum of three months and seven working days from when you placed your order.

Although, be aware that this doesn’t apply to specific date contracts for transport services and events.

You should have received your refund by the time you had completed your course elsewhere IMO.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

I would say your best option is to pursue the protection provided by the Distance Selling Regulations. Basically you have 7 days to cancel any contract so long as you purchased over the phone or online or by post but not if you booked at their offices. This 7 days is extended to 3 months if you were not made aware of these regulations in writing. You will need to carefully read their terms and conditions that should have been supplied prior to booking with them.

The small claims court is a cheap and fairly simple process and is the only option if they refuse a refund. From extensive experience while working for a previous employer I would say they have no right to withhold such a large percentage of what you paid. A weakness in your case however is when you told them to hold the refund in case you failed.

Write to them indicating your intention to go the small claims route. Give them 7 days to reply. This will most likely trigger a refund. If not PM me and I will provide you more details.

When the trainer cancelled your course they were in breach of contract. Unless there were any specific terms given to you when you booked suggesting otherwise, then you can claim a full refund. By specific terms I mean if they had advised that the course dates could not be guaranteed and you would have to accept alternatives if required.

Only go down the small claims route when you have given the company every chance to sort out the problem. Then issue a “letter before action”, if no response then raise a claim.

I agree with exit. Any conversations you had with the trainer after they cancelled your original contract are irrelevant. They broke your agreement so you should get a full refund.

m1cks:
I agree with exit. Any conversations you had with the trainer after they cancelled your original contract are irrelevant. They broke your agreement so you should get a full refund.

Agree, but it will get complicated if the OP has issued anything in writing about asking them to temporarily hold the refund while he got his ■■■■ together. If they don’t have anything in writing about that then as they’re playing silly buggers just deny all knowledge of any conversations about holding your money at your request and pursue your claim. However before you do any of this you need to very carefully read their T&Cs about cancellation.

S&H are owned by brokers. Not sure you will get much back. You signed up to their T&C. Sometimes the only way to proceed with is is issue a CCJ. Seems like you went with so many diferrent compnies.