bazza123:
I’m afraid UKTramp, and no disrespect I’m going to call you out and say I don’t think you are who you claim you are. I don’t think you are a fridge engineer at all.
You may know things about fridges, and chilled or frozen goods. But in this whole thread you haven’t actually said anything of much substance about how fridges work etc. You’ve mentioned about a wind sock and ammonia, all stuff that could be Googled I’m sure.
One thing I picked up from you is about a body store. Specifically that doors should have lights on OR luminous areas around door handles. Now I’ve been in a mortuary that held over 100 people, so fairly big and it was very modern. In fact so modern they had one big fridge that porters could wheel a whole hospital bed for bariatric patients in, to wait for there to enough staff around to handle the size of the body. The fridges didn’t have any lights or illuminated handles inside. It’s sort of the stuff of Hollywood movies and legends. You also state words to the effect that lots of people have woken up after verification of death (we don’t call it certification in this country) hency the need to escape/call for help. In a very few cases it may have happened but that’s it.
Given the lack of information that you promised, plus this stuff about body stores, I say it’s trolling. Elaborate granted. Still trolling though I reckon.
Dozy?
To be fair, your sort are exactly the reason why I would only do a series on refrigeration on a password protected site rather than the whole public youtube thing again. I do not need people like you regardless of whatever I am, so sorry to burst your bubble but you are pretty insignificant to me and what you believe. I find it pretty incredible though that I went to the effort of posting my licences and qualifications on here and yet you still make these silly statements as though you are somehow more knowledgeable than me on such a subject. Odd but I cannot for the life of me think why I would say I am a fridge engineer and not a pilot or something a little more exciting? A lion tamer perhaps?
nightline:
Guilty until proven otherwise anyone who says something and then drags it out is a person looking for attention why would you come on and say i will explain this to you and then give you dribs and drabs
Most of the stuff can be got on Google
At the same time he is very entertaining and good with the words so no harm done to me and keep it up very entertaining
Where is this dragging out coming from? What am I dragging out. I said 3 pages or so ago that I will kill this thread as no one was interested. I said I would do a separate one on reefers or car air conditioning rather than continue this thread. Please tell me what you are trying so hard to grasp with that? Have you actually read this post start to finish or just jumped in after I said this over halfway through? I am puzzled. If most of this stuff is on Google then go on Google, don’t come on here telling me this as I don’t need to go on Google for it.
Just been reading this, fascinating document. Tried to find a later version but it appears to have been archived and I’m not £75 worth of interested!!
There’s a whole section on cold room design, including lighting. I can’t find the part about permanent lighting though. Granted the document is from 2005, so it could well be a more recent requirement.
HEALTH BUILDING NOTE 20
Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem
room services
2005
STATUS IN WALES
APPLIES
This document replaced
HBN 20 - Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem room
services
2nd edition 2001
Captain Caveman 76:
Just been reading this, fascinating document. Tried to find a later version but it appears to have been archived and I’m not £75 worth of interested!!
There’s a whole section on cold room design, including lighting. I can’t find the part about permanent lighting though. Granted the document is from 2005, so it could well be a more recent requirement.
HEALTH BUILDING NOTE 20
Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem
room services
2005
STATUS IN WALES
APPLIES
This document replaced
HBN 20 - Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem room
services
2nd edition 2001
All of them have internal lighting, they do not have to be permanently on,if not they do need to have a luminous internal door handle surround and also if this isn’t met then an emergency light switch inside. The luminous door surround is usually a fluorescent green sticker like that found on emergency exit signs and door handles.
Captain Caveman 76:
Just been reading this, fascinating document. Tried to find a later version but it appears to have been archived and I’m not £75 worth of interested!!
There’s a whole section on cold room design, including lighting. I can’t find the part about permanent lighting though. Granted the document is from 2005, so it could well be a more recent requirement.
HEALTH BUILDING NOTE 20
Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem
room services
2005
STATUS IN WALES
APPLIES
This document replaced
HBN 20 - Facilities for mortuary and post-mortem room
services
2nd edition 2001
If you go onto the AFOS link in my other post you will see on the tech spec sheet it states emergency luminous internal door handles, now you cannot walk into a body store, you get put in one on rollers on a tray. Only reason you need an internal light switch is in case you wake up as there is no way you can get locked inside one. Think this really proves my point and no further explanation is required other than, yet again I am right!!!
If you can’t get locked in, why the need for luminous door handles and light switches? Maybe for staff cleaning I suppose… Generally people don’t wake up in there!
bazza123:
If you can’t get locked in, why the need for luminous door handles and light switches? Maybe for staff cleaning I suppose… Generally people don’t wake up in there!
No people don’t normally wake up in a body store, thanks for clearing that one up. I am shocked and in awe at your knowledge of body stores. I have designed and installed countless amounts of these, if only I had known you before, I could have saved myself a lot of frustration muddling through things. You can’t stop a sore loser from thinking what they want and you can’t convince them out of their opinion. The only way to battle a sore loser is to make sure they’re not right
simcant:
UK tramp best sock puppet ever well done staff
There’s no way for you to know. The only person who knows the answer to that question is me. I am all but credible as I am incredible and that is the truth in which for all intent and purpose should be taken in good faith.
bazza123:
If you can’t get locked in, why the need for luminous door handles and light switches? Maybe for staff cleaning I suppose… Generally people don’t wake up in there!
No people don’t normally wake up in a body store, thanks for clearing that one up. I am shocked and in awe at your knowledge of body stores. I have designed and installed countless amounts of these, if only I had known you before, I could have saved myself a lot of frustration muddling through things. You can’t stop a sore loser from thinking what they want and you can’t convince them out of their opinion. The only way to battle a sore loser is to make sure they’re not right
Well it’s funny you say that, given on page two of this thread you said…
There have been numerous cases where people have woken up in a body store and in the pitch black it would be frightening, especially if you could not get out. That is why the rule came in.
So which is it to be? Look don’t get me wrong you are doing no harm with this thread, and if you do indeed have the experience and qualifications you say you have then I wish you my best. On the other hand you do seem to be dragging the thread out and haven’t yet published your mini-series and I get the feeling other people are losing interest in this as you haven’t produced what you said you would. With respect I think this whole set up is elaborate trolling, possibly by Dozy. Good effort, honestly though.
I have an (almost) serious question, as a big fan of Ice Road Truckers and Lisa Kellys ever increasing big ■■■■, it got me wondering (the show not her ■■■■, that’s for a different forum) if a reefer is set to -2 in below 40 ambient outdoor temperatures would the pre-frozen produce then defrost?
bazza123:
If you can’t get locked in, why the need for luminous door handles and light switches? Maybe for staff cleaning I suppose… Generally people don’t wake up in there!
No people don’t normally wake up in a body store, thanks for clearing that one up. I am shocked and in awe at your knowledge of body stores. I have designed and installed countless amounts of these, if only I had known you before, I could have saved myself a lot of frustration muddling through things. You can’t stop a sore loser from thinking what they want and you can’t convince them out of their opinion. The only way to battle a sore loser is to make sure they’re not right
Well it’s funny you say that, given on page two of this thread you said…
There have been numerous cases where people have woken up in a body store and in the pitch black it would be frightening, especially if you could not get out. That is why the rule came in.
So which is it to be? Look don’t get me wrong you are doing no harm with this thread, and if you do indeed have the experience and qualifications you say you have then I wish you my best. On the other hand you do seem to be dragging the thread out and haven’t yet published your mini-series and I get the feeling other people are losing interest in this as you haven’t produced what you said you would.
Over to you
I agreed with you that it is not the norm for people waking up in a body store? However there are cases of people doing just that, I am not following you here. And no I am not doing any mini series on anything on refrigeration because of people like you. Why would I waste my time and what am I to gain from being scrutinised at every word I say. You say it can all be Googled so go Google it, if I tell you something you can’t easily Google then no doubt I will have you saying it is incorrect like the body stores. I used to design these things and validate them annually so where you become an expert on the subject from is beyond me. Google perhaps.
Reef:
I have an (almost) serious question, as a big fan of Ice Road Truckers and Lisa Kellys ever increasing big ■■■■, it got me wondering (the show not her ■■■■, that’s for a different forum) if a reefer is set to -2 in below 40 ambient outdoor temperatures would the pre-frozen produce then defrost?
As a reefer is insulated and if the inside box temp was set at -2 deg and the produce was -40 going into the box then yes a slow defrost will take place raising the products temp up to -2 providing that the box insulation could hold -2 in -40. This is a common occurrence in cold stores and blast freezers. You may blast freeze meat to -45 then put in a cold store at -18 and within 24 to 48 hrs the meat will be at the cold store temp. It is known as tempering which either increases or decreases the freeze in steps of degrees.
Just out of interest I will explain meat tempering, In an average blast freezer you will put a freeze to the meat at -45 and hold it for 18 hrs. then take out the produce and put it in a cold store of max -22, within 48 hrs the meat will equalise to -22 on the outside but its core will never reach that temp. In order to get the core down to -10 it is common to blast freeze at -45 and hold for 6 hrs, then raise the temperature up to -10 for 10 hrs, the core will freeze and keep longer and preserve the flavour better. This is especially true for meat produce travelling the world in export where the reefer will then be set at -22 for shipping. The temps and times will alter for different meat products as their salt content will increase or decrease these freeze times.
