eagerbeaver:
robroy:
How long can you keep chicken in the freezer for?Until it cools down. Anything after that is cruel.
You git, you spoiled it. 
My next line was after the technical answer wasâŚââWell my mate put his in for 3 hours and the â â â â froze to deathââ
UKtramp:
Captain Caveman 76:
Iâm guessing the body stores have to have permanent lights on in case someone is in there by accident ie not actually dead yet, just appears to be.There have been numerous cases where people have woken up in a body store and in the pitch black it would be frightening, especially if you could not get out. That is why the rule came in.
Letâs get this right if the doctorâs make a wrong call itâs better to wake up in a locked body fridge with the light on than in the dark.Thatâs very reassuring to know and I feel much safer now.Although it would obviously be even more useful to know how to release yourself if itâs possible in that event and who do you then contact first to alert them to the mistake.IE is there an emergency phone and number provided.Have to say that the idea of being mistakenly called as dead is more scary than actually being dead itself. 
eagerbeaver:
UKtramp:
No you can recycle it yourself though for use in maintenance, we have stocks of recycled R22 which is like liquid gold but running down.It hasnât been in new equipment since 2004 I believe. I do love fridge chat
Stopped selling it in 2014 but you can still find it if you have the ÂŁÂŁÂŁs
robroy:
eagerbeaver:
robroy:
How long can you keep chicken in the freezer for?Until it cools down. Anything after that is cruel.
You git, you spoiled it.
My next line was after the technical answer wasâŚââWell my mate put his in for 3 hours and the [zb] froze to deathââ
Please keep this serious rob, refrigeration is serious stuff with no room for error or chickens could well die.
UKtramp:
robroy:
eagerbeaver:
robroy:
How long can you keep chicken in the freezer for?Until it cools down. Anything after that is cruel.
You git, you spoiled it.
My next line was after the technical answer wasâŚââWell my mate put his in for 3 hours and the [zb] froze to deathââPlease keep this serious rob, refrigeration is serious stuff with no room for error or chickens could well die.
Sorry mate, I just canât help myself. 
You know what Iâm like.
Putting my âSerious Headâ on now as we speak.
UKtramp:
No you can recycle it yourself though for use in maintenance, we have stocks of recycled R22 which is like liquid gold but running down.
No you canât, if an engineer attaches his gauges to plant on R22 he must reclaim it and return it to be destroyed, and if the F-gas police were aware of anyone charging R22 into a system nowadays I think youâd be looking at time behind bars. It was phased out by 1/1/10, the recycled stuff was allowed to be used for a year after this then was no longer sold.
NB12:
UKtramp:
No you can recycle it yourself though for use in maintenance, we have stocks of recycled R22 which is like liquid gold but running down.No you canât, if an engineer attaches his gauges to plant on R22 he must reclaim it and return it to be destroyed, and if the F-gas police were aware of anyone charging R22 into a system nowadays I think youâd be looking at time behind bars. It was phased out by 1/1/10, the recycled stuff was allowed to be used for a year after this then was no longer sold.
NB12:
UKtramp:
No you can recycle it yourself though for use in maintenance, we have stocks of recycled R22 which is like liquid gold but running down.No you canât, if an engineer attaches his gauges to plant on R22 he must reclaim it and return it to be destroyed, and if the F-gas police were aware of anyone charging R22 into a system nowadays I think youâd be looking at time behind bars. It was phased out by 1/1/10, the recycled stuff was allowed to be used for a year after this then was no longer sold.
Righty ho, if you have a supply of R22 already you can use it on repairs, no one at the moment is policing it same as F-gas laws. Who do you know who has had any dealings with being policed. Also there are systems still in use with R22 and in the states they are still using it in the virgin state. The real question is why would anyone pay the price for R22 nowadays when as you correctly stated it is banned from sale. The R22 systems in this country are dwindling down but it is still there and it is still being repaired and charged regardless. The dates you are quoting is for virgin R22 not recycled and also mainly for air conditioning, no one would touch air conditioning now using R22. The cut off date for recycled R22 for commercial systems was 1st January 2015.
Did you work/help design the Birds Eye tower UKtramp?
UKtramp:
NB12:
UKtramp:
No you can recycle it yourself though for use in maintenance, we have stocks of recycled R22 which is like liquid gold but running down.No you canât, if an engineer attaches his gauges to plant on R22 he must reclaim it and return it to be destroyed, and if the F-gas police were aware of anyone charging R22 into a system nowadays I think youâd be looking at time behind bars. It was phased out by 1/1/10, the recycled stuff was allowed to be used for a year after this then was no longer sold.
Righty ho, if you have a supply of R22 already you can use it on repairs, no one at the moment is policing it same as F-gas laws. Who do you know who has had any dealings with being policed. Also there are systems still in use with R22 and in the states they are still using it in the virgin state. The real question is why would anyone pay the price for R22 nowadays when as you correctly stated it is banned from sale. The R22 systems in this country are dwindling down but it is still there and it is still being repaired and charged regardless. The dates you are quoting is for virgin R22 not recycled and also mainly for air conditioning, no one would touch air conditioning now using R22. The cut off date for recycled R22 for commercial systems was 1st January 2015.
Yes USA, China, Australia maybe even still using it but a big no no in Europe. F-Gas laws are policed contractors have been fined a lot of money for being in breach of these laws, there are a few systems still running away issue free on R22 but when they break down they are â â â â â â â Really A/C or fridge it doesnât matter what itâs for itâs still a banned substance.
NB12:
[Yes USA, China, Australia maybe even still using it but a big no no in Europe. F-Gas laws are policed contractors have been fined a lot of money for being in breach of these laws, there are a few systems still running away issue free on R22 but when they break down they are [zb]. Really A/C or fridge it doesnât matter what itâs for itâs still a banned substance.
I agree with what you are saying as R22 is old hat anyway, AC would have been replaced well before the cut off date as it is cheaper to replace than repair anyway. Industrial plant of R22 can still be used providing you donât need to break into the system to repair it, the cut off date for these systems to utilise reclaimed R22 was 1st Jan 2015. These are still in use and no law prevents them from being repaired or used providing it is in good maintained condition. There are still contractors topping these up as it is impossible to say when a leak had occurred if at all. A repair to these systems goes on, the ethical point is that some cold stores and blast freezer plants would wait until they break down irreparable then shut down as they cannot afford to replace them, the whole drop in refrigerant is a joke on these systems as they will more likely be too old to bother, but the costs of replacement to some stores would not be viable, its like running an old car into the ground.
So what is R22?
Captain Caveman 76:
So what is R22?
It is a banned refrigerant that damages the ozone layer, HCFCs are bad news for the Ozone layer.
I once witnessed an ammonia alarm going off, I was sat in a yard up wind of it. I closed my windows but was visited by someone in transport who walked outside to tell me to evacuate yard. I refused to move out of my wagon saying I was safe where I was, I was a sight safer than her who walked across yard in what ultimately turned out to be a false alarm.
sent using smoke signals
UKtramp:
Captain Caveman 76:
So what is R22?It is a banned refrigerant that damages the ozone layer, HCFCs are bad news for the Ozone layer.
No, I meant itâs components. Iâm guessing itâs some type of chloroflorocarbon (sp)
mick.mh2racing:
I once witnessed an ammonia alarm going off, I was sat in a yard up wind of it. I closed my windows but was visited by someone in transport who walked outside to tell me to evacuate yard. I refused to move out of my wagon saying I was safe where I was, I was a sight safer than her who walked across yard in what ultimately turned out to be a false alarm.sent using smoke signals
Ammonia alarms are a pain for giving false alarms, unfortunately they also detect minute traces of ammonia which are nearly always present in such systems causing an alarm situation.
Captain Caveman 76:
UKtramp:
Captain Caveman 76:
So what is R22?It is a banned refrigerant that damages the ozone layer, HCFCs are bad news for the Ozone layer.
No, I meant itâs components. Iâm guessing itâs some type of chloroflorocarbon (sp)
It is an HFC classification and banned by the Montreal protocol which the EU and other countries signed, however some have pulled out which is why in America and other places it is still used.
My point was mainly to illustrate that managers didnât know how to deal with the situation and reacted as if it was a fire drill, ie everyone out to a predetermined rendezvous point.
sent using smoke signals
mick.mh2racing:
My point was mainly to illustrate that managers didnât know how to deal with the situation and reacted as if it was a fire drill, ie everyone out to a predetermined rendezvous point.sent using smoke signals
Well good point raised, I have had many an argument with Managers with regards Ammonia evacuation procedures. One in particular I recall was telling people to run in the direction of the sounders!!! It is the HSE managers that have no idea about evacuation procedures and some donât even know about the wind sock on the roofs of plants.
Bloody hell this thread moves fast I had a choking ones chicken whimsey thatâs now mute.
