It doesn’t sound like you have a good relationship with your TM mate! 
From the tone of that post, you’re seeing it as a confrontation…
Not frustrating at all Radar mate, wish there had been summat like TN around when i was your age, so we could could bounce ideas off others in semi anonymity, might have helped me avoid some of the bad decisions i made with predictable regularity… 
How you broach things with your TM we can’t really say with any certainty.
Use gut feelings mate after a good nights sleep.
Just beware of people with half promises of jobs (promotion, whatever), i’m still waiting 30 years later for the TM at Conoco to get back to me… 
, not saying this is the case with your semi offer but i bet lots of us are still waiting for jobs that never materialised.
Majority of job offers have conditions attached such as the offer being subject to various checks being carried out after the offer of employment, such as taking up reference checks etc. Unless you’ve gone through some sort of recorded disciplinary process at your current employment then I don’t see anything to worry about and personally, I wouldn’t mention it.
An employer can’t just say you were crap in a reference with no recorded substance because they aren’t happy you want to move on and have found alternative employment, this is opening them up to legal action such as slander etc.
yourhavingalarf:
My present employer asked for two previous work references…I gave them the necessary info and thought no more about it. About a month later the phone rings and this Doris from the office says that both my referees hadn’t responded to numerous requests for references.
There’s no legal obligation for anyone to give references to potential employers.
Just sayin’ like.
Yet another reason for a change in the law which outlaws requests for references.Which is something more expected of the 1930’s employment regime not the 21st century.
Look mate, full marks for manning up, but don’t make him think you are putting him on the spot, holding him to ransom or forcing his hand by ultimatum or he is likely to tell you to ■■■■ off.
Let him think it is HIS idea to try and keep you, just say you have had a potential Class 1 offer so you feel you need to take it rather than want to, although you feel it is a pity to leave a firm and job that you like, as it appears pretty obvious that he has no plans to upgrade you which is his prerogative and fair enough, so you have no choice and you are leaving reluctantly.
IF he values you he may play ball.
Just fill the form out with all details and say nothing to nobody, you don’t ask or say anything to anyone that’s not how its done,
at interview they will ask permission to contract anyone you put down, by then you could be sorted in job your in now.
robroy:
Look mate, full marks for manning up, but don’t make him think you are putting him on the spot, holding him to ransom or forcing his hand by ultimatum or he is likely to tell you to [zb] off.
Let him think it is HIS idea to try and keep you, just say you have had a potential Class 1 offer so you feel you need to take it rather than want to, although you feel it is a pity to leave a firm and job that you like, as it appears pretty obvious that he has no plans to upgrade you which is his prerogative and fair enough, so you have no choice and you are leaving reluctantly.
IF he values you he may play ball.
Good words!
And I’ll spoil it by adding that he may say: “Thank god, see ya later tail-lift trasher!”
andy_s:
Majority of job offers have conditions attached such as the offer being subject to various checks being carried out after the offer of employment, such as taking up reference checks etc. Unless you’ve gone through some sort of recorded disciplinary process at your current employment then I don’t see anything to worry about and personally, I wouldn’t mention it.An employer can’t just say you were crap in a reference with no recorded substance because they aren’t happy you want to move on and have found alternative employment, this is opening them up to legal action such as slander etc.
This can be the reality of the ‘reference’ regime.IE the idea of ‘references’ is in no one’s interests whether employers or employees.
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Carryfast:
References can be a load of time wasting bollox.In that problem employees with dodgy records that they want to hide can often by necessity obtain bs references provided somehow from somewhere.While good employees can get ignored because of numerous logistical reasons as to why references can’t be provided especially in the case of long term enforced break in employment history or redundancy through employer closure etc.On that note it’s time that requests for references were outlawed.Bearing in mind that work history will always be a case of trust on the part of the employer and good faith on the part of the candidate.You really do post some utter [zb], and this is up there with the best.
Feel free to explain how someone who intends to return to work after a long term illness.Or after a long term unemployment situation caused by closure of their previous employers with a work history covering possibly decades with that and/or just a few long gone employers,can supply multiple recent ‘references’.Or for that matter the issue of wanting to keep a potential job move confidential from a current employer.
Its fairly simple, you ask that references are only sought if a position is offered, as to long term illness or redundancy, it is not unreasonable to ask for references from the employer before that incident, obviously too hard for you to understand, make references illegal…truly laughable.
Fill in the form, put down your current place as a reference. Say nothing, keep on doing what you’re doing. If TM brings you in for a convo and asks what’s going on, tell him straight, you’ve seen a job that interests you and you applied.
I can see where Carryfast is coming from. The last job I had insisted on two references and did check on them after the offer of a job. BUT… their own policy towards anyone leaving was never to give any kind of reference at all.
del trotter:
Carryfast:
Feel free to explain how someone who intends to return to work after a long term illness.Or after a long term unemployment situation caused by closure of their previous employers with a work history covering possibly decades with that and/or just a few long gone employers,can supply multiple recent ‘references’.Or for that matter the issue of wanting to keep a potential job move confidential from a current employer.Its fairly simple, you ask that references are only sought if a position is offered, as to long term illness or redundancy, it is not unreasonable to ask for references from the employer before that incident, obviously too hard for you to understand, make references illegal…truly laughable.
If it’s only a case of references being sought ‘after’ an offer of employment there’s obviously no need to request them or provide them on an application form.
As for employment history going back up to possibly decades.Which part of the employers either no longer exist.Or at least no longer has anyone working there who even knows the employee in question including the obvious loss of all relevant employment records going that far back,don’t you understand.
Which then leaves the type of scenario which del has described.
Or even potential issues of the types of abuse of the reference regime as described in the Mirror article.