Sidevalve:
In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.
There is no ‘working week’ in the regs so I think you mean between weekly rests
Sidevalve:
toonsy:
What you need is a course, I dunno some certificateor something, on drivers hours where someone can quote text from a book at you but cant give practical examples of real world usage to allow people to relate to the rules you’ve just been readThe rules on this are pretty straightforward. In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.
OP is on a DAILY rest at the start of that working week at midnight Sunday, not a weekly rest because he’s already had that before starting rhe Sunday drive.
More proof, if it were needed, that the drivers who reckon DCPC is waste of time should pay more attention when they’re doing the course.
My CPC consisted of strapping a ratchet onto a trolley, and searching a day cab for illegal immigrants.
I’m aware of the three reductions, just wasn’t sure if the Sunday 9 and Monday 15 counted as one day or not.
I asked here and got some very helpful answers, but thanks for your input
ROG:
Sidevalve:
In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.There is no ‘working week’ in the regs so I think you mean between weekly rests
Some people should pay more attention to their CPC training 
Sidevalve:
More proof, if it were needed, that the drivers who reckon DCPC is waste of time should pay more attention when they’re doing the course.
Or, more proof, if it was needed, that compulsory classroom attendance is a failed system and a simple multi choice test without several hours of compulsory classroom attendance would be more affective 
There must be an app where you can enter in your hours and get possible remaining options, if you have reducers available or not etc
idrive:
ROG:
Sidevalve:
In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.There is no ‘working week’ in the regs so I think you mean between weekly rests
Some people should pay more attention to their CPC training
The working week may not actually be referred to in the regs by that name but its what we’d normally call the period between weekly rests.
Unless some smartass has a different idea?
ROG:
Sidevalve:
In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.There is no ‘working week’ in the regs so I think you mean between weekly rests
stevieboy308:
0ROG:
Sidevalve:
In any period of 24 hours work you need to have a minimum of eleven hours rest which can be reduced to nine hours up to three times in a working week.There is no ‘working week’ in the regs so I think you mean between weekly rests
To be fair that’s not from the actual regulations.
This is though
eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html … format=PDF
(13) Full definitions of all key terms should be given in order
to render interpretation easier and ensure that this
Regulation is applied in a uniform manner. In addition,
efforts should be made to ensure uniform interpretation
and application of this Regulation by national super-
visory authorities. The definition of ‘week’provided in
this Regulation should not prevent drivers from starting
their working week on any day of the week.
tachograph:
This is though
eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html … format=PDF(13) Full definitions of all key terms should be given in order
to render interpretation easier and ensure that this
Regulation is applied in a uniform manner. In addition,
efforts should be made to ensure uniform interpretation
and application of this Regulation by national super-
visory authorities. The definition of ‘week’provided in
this Regulation should not prevent drivers from starting
their working week on any day of the week.
Then the UK Gov guidance is just adding confusion, because going by their segments, it makes it look like the shift pattern is going against the “working week” and just trying to jam in weekly rest periods to satisfy that when in reality the EU regulation wording is that its when your first shift starts. The infographic would make more sense if they added more squares eitherside that were blank to indicate the week “timer” starts after your first shift.
Or they could keep it simple like the yanks. 14hr spread 10 off 11hrs driving………. none of this reducing/increasing rest/driving/compensating hours marlarky… oh wait its the EU
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Yea… the reducer stuff is just asinine… they turn something so simple into something people have “interpretations” of instead of just a clear cut regulation.
I mean obviously there’s a correct way and an incorrect way to interpret it, but the fact people struggle to understand it shows how borked it really is.
Fixed hourly rules would just solve all these problems. Hopefully the UK government reviews it… Wouldn’t hold my breath but at least leaving the EU allows us [in theory] the freedom to do it in simpler way.
mark1284:
Or they could keep it simple like the yanks. 14hr spread 10 off 11hrs driving………. none of this reducing/increasing rest/driving/compensating hours marlarky… oh wait its the EUSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The reason it works perfectly well for the Yanks is that most of their drivers do long haul; they cover a daily mileage we’d struggle to achieve in a Transit van in the UK. I don’t know the ins and outs of every state but I’m given to believe that some have the same speed limits for trucks and cars too.
Then again, the Yanks have a different attitude to RTA’s; basically, it seems that if you’re dumb enough to get in the way of an artic, you get what you deserve. Similar with their railways; they’re rarely fenced off, as they legally have to be in this country, and the train wins every time if you happen to be crossing the track when you shouldn’t be.
flammen:
Yea… the reducer stuff is just asinine… they turn something so simple into something people have “interpretations” of instead of just a clear cut regulation.
I’m sorry, but it IS pretty simple. The bit many drivers get wrong (and I’ve done it myself) is that they think that having eleven hours off after a fifteen hour shift does not constitute a reduction. As we all know (or hopefully, should do!) it’s all got to fit into a 24 hour period.
Yes, it gets a bit more complicated when you start factoring in double manning, ferries and the like; but the basics of drivers hours rules which apply to the vast majority of UK drivers can be taught in an hour to anyone with a reasonable grasp of simple mathematics.
The only “interpretations” are those of drivers getting it wrong because they misinterpret the law; often because they listen to another driver instead of either consulting their DCPC notes or asking a line manager.
Let’s all scrap the DCPC the masses keep shouting [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
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Sidevalve:
The only “interpretations” are those of drivers getting it wrong because they misinterpret the law; often because they listen to another driver instead of either consulting their DCPC notes or asking a line manager.
About right.
The common way of thinking is to look at what one wants to do, and see how the actual rules could just possibly be “interpreted” to allow that…and that is “obviously” what the rules mean!
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Applies all over the place of course.
mark1284:
Or they could keep it simple like the yanks.
Yes, they have to because they are dealing with yanks! 
Sidevalve:
I’m sorry, but it IS pretty simple.The only “interpretations” are those of drivers getting it wrong because they misinterpret the law; often because they listen to another driver instead of either consulting their DCPC notes or asking a line manager.
That’s irrelevant. Just because you understand it doesn’t mean it isn’t confusing to people, the very fact so many questions are asked kind of proves how much of a unnecessary minefield it is.
flammen:
Sidevalve:
I’m sorry, but it IS pretty simple.The only “interpretations” are those of drivers getting it wrong because they misinterpret the law; often because they listen to another driver instead of either consulting their DCPC notes or asking a line manager.
That’s irrelevant. Just because you understand it doesn’t mean it isn’t confusing to people, the very fact so many questions are asked kind of proves how much of a unnecessary minefield it is.
I think it’s more likely because some people don’t listen to what they’re told, or read the information they’re given. What you do in a day has to add up to twenty four hours. If the working bit before the rest is more than thirteen hours, or the rest period after the work is less than eleven, you’ve used a reduction. How complicated is that?
Sidevalve:
flammen:
Sidevalve:
I’m sorry, but it IS pretty simple.The only “interpretations” are those of drivers getting it wrong because they misinterpret the law; often because they listen to another driver instead of either consulting their DCPC notes or asking a line manager.
That’s irrelevant. Just because you understand it doesn’t mean it isn’t confusing to people, the very fact so many questions are asked kind of proves how much of a unnecessary minefield it is.
I think it’s more likely because some people don’t listen to what they’re told, or read the information they’re given. What you do in a day has to add up to twenty four hours. If the working bit before the rest is more than thirteen hours, or the rest period after the work is less than eleven, you’ve used a reduction. How complicated is that?
Maybe so