Truckulent:
21 is too young to be in charge of a bus…
Most 21 yr olds can only just manage to operate an ipod…
I have to say I agree, being in charge of a large vehicle and 50+ lives in a responsible manner is beyond the average 21yr old, heck I remember well some of the stupid stuff I used to get up to in just a 7.5t’er at that age !!
Im 19 + do 7.5 / 18 T work
Really its down to maturity not age, some adults act like children and vice versa, the amount of 50 year old audi drivers who race past me…
You don’t carry 50+ passengers on a lorry. Most 21 yr olds aren’t responsible enough to drive anything, let alone a bus with 50 lives in their hands. Sorry mate but the stats d on’t paint a very rosy picture of drivers under 25, especially blokes! Nothing personal - you do get the exception of course. But 95% aren’t resposible enough.
Just to play Devils advocate here… You get an awful lot of 21 yr olds in charge of some very exotic weapons systems more than capable of killing 50+ people. What do you suggest there?
Some of the most stupid and irresposible cretins I’ve met have been well into their 30’s and more. A twonk is a twonk is a twonk no matter what the age.
the maoster:
Just to play Devils advocate here… You get an awful lot of 21 yr olds in charge of some very exotic weapons systems more than capable of killing 50+ people. What do you suggest there?
About 3 years of some very intensive training and attitude realignment probably helps
A fair bit differant than your average PCV course / test I’d imagine.
the maoster:
Just to play Devils advocate here… You get an awful lot of 21 yr olds in charge of some very exotic weapons systems more than capable of killing 50+ people. What do you suggest there?
About 3 years of some very intensive training and attitude realignment probably helps
A fair bit differant than your average PCV course / test I’d imagine.
Undoubtedly all of the above applies. However you’re missing my point, being a total spanner isn’t exclusively the domain of the young. Terminal stupidity is an equal opportunity condition.
the maoster:
Just to play Devils advocate here… You get an awful lot of 21 yr olds in charge of some very exotic weapons systems more than capable of killing 50+ people. What do you suggest there?
About 3 years of some very intensive training and attitude realignment probably helps
A fair bit differant than your average PCV course / test I’d imagine.
Undoubtedly all of the above applies. However you’re missing my point, being a total spanner isn’t exclusively the domain of the young. Terminal stupidity is an equal opportunity condition.
Absolutely. But, if you are driving a vehicle and under 25 you are far more likely to crash than anyone else - especially if you’re male.
Went on a bus for the first time in 15 odd years last week. Driver was 40’s and TBH I was appalled at the standard of driving. Speed , especially around corners, was the main negative, as well as taking unnecessary risks.
It was a really uncomfortable journey, and passenger comfort is part of their training.
Gembo:
If you have time (doubtful) get on the phone.
Useful bit of info that hopefully nobody ever has to use: if you make a connection between the two rails on any piece of track, it completes a circuit and automatically shuts all signals to red on that sector - a long piece of conducting metal will do it, and you’ll occasionally see like a pair of heavy duty jump leads trackside there for just this purpose, usually for track gangs and of course leave the third rail alone if present!
I know this little gem of info from operating very low clearance trailers, signalmen get rather irate if you trip their system because you haven’t been arsed to raise the suspension to cross one chappie out between Selby Common and Taddy got extremely animated one day
Gembo:
If you have time (doubtful) get on the phone.
Useful bit of info that hopefully nobody ever has to use: if you make a connection between the two rails on any piece of track, it completes a circuit and automatically shuts all signals to red on that sector - a long piece of conducting metal will do it, and you’ll occasionally see like a pair of heavy duty jump leads trackside there for just this purpose, usually for track gangs and of course leave the third rail alone if present!
I know this little gem of info from operating very low clearance trailers, signalmen get rather irate if you trip their system because you haven’t been arsed to raise the suspension to cross one chappie out between Selby Common and Taddy got extremely animated one day
all true, the down side with this that if the lights are showing then the train has already struck into the section by hitting the treddle, and has probably passed the last signal before the crossing so wont help…bang. bye bye bus / car / truck
Truckulent:
21 is too young to be in charge of a bus…
Most 21 yr olds can only just manage to operate an ipod…
I have to say I agree, being in charge of a large vehicle and 50+ lives in a responsible manner is beyond the average 21yr old, heck I remember well some of the stupid stuff I used to get up to in just a 7.5t’er at that age !!
Im 19 + do 7.5 / 18 T work
Really its down to maturity not age, some adults act like children and vice versa, the amount of 50 year old audi drivers who race past me…
You don’t carry 50+ passengers on a lorry. Most 21 yr olds aren’t responsible enough to drive anything, let alone a bus with 50 lives in their hands. Sorry mate but the stats d on’t paint a very rosy picture of drivers under 25, especially blokes! Nothing personal - you do get the exception of course. But 95% aren’t resposible enough.
I’m 22 started driving lorrys at 20, I have my class 1 and ADR in all categories bar radioactive. And regularly carry hazardous goods that could level a small town. Does my age mean I’m incompetent to do my job?
I’ve seen blokes of all ages drive like a ■■■■■
But I do agree I have seen some ■■■■■■■ stupid young drivers out there!
I’d say he was looking solely at the tractor and never even saw the flashing lights.
jj72:
Useful bit of info that hopefully nobody ever has to use: if you make a connection between the two rails on any piece of track, it completes a circuit and automatically shuts all signals to red on that sector - a long piece of conducting metal will do it, and you’ll occasionally see like a pair of heavy duty jump leads trackside there for just this purpose, usually for track gangs and of course leave the third rail alone if present!
I know this little gem of info from operating very low clearance trailers, signalmen get rather irate if you trip their system because you haven’t been arsed to raise the suspension to cross one chappie out between Selby Common and Taddy got extremely animated one day
jj72 what voltage are you suggesting a standard track carries?
I’m intrigued by this as a low voltage will drop away over distance - rapidly so in the wet and a high voltage would be dangerous.
If this is the case, how is it possible to give a proceed signal on a flooded track?
Driveroneuk:
jj72 what voltage are you suggesting a standard track carries?
I’m intrigued by this as a low voltage will drop away over distance - rapidly so in the wet and a high voltage would be dangerous.
If this is the case, how is it possible to give a proceed signal on a flooded track?
Low voltage AC. Depends on the location and traction power. And due to 95% of all trains having electric traction motors, floods are normally a stopper in case of traction motors going bang.
Gembo:
If you have time (doubtful) get on the phone.
Useful bit of info that hopefully nobody ever has to use: if you make a connection between the two rails on any piece of track, it completes a circuit and automatically shuts all signals to red on that sector - a long piece of conducting metal will do it, and you’ll occasionally see like a pair of heavy duty jump leads trackside there for just this purpose, usually for track gangs and of course leave the third rail alone if present!
I know this little gem of info from operating very low clearance trailers, signalmen get rather irate if you trip their system because you haven’t been arsed to raise the suspension to cross one chappie out between Selby Common and Taddy got extremely animated one day
All well and good but you’be screwed if you tried it on a non track circuited route and theres still plenty of those about like branch lines and such that dont have any track circuits!!
Driveroneuk:
jj72 what voltage are you suggesting a standard track carries?
I’m intrigued by this as a low voltage will drop away over distance - rapidly so in the wet and a high voltage would be dangerous.
If this is the case, how is it possible to give a proceed signal on a flooded track?
Basicly its not possible as it causes ‘track circuit failure’. Theres another system that uses axle counter equipment, along the sea wall at Dawlish in Devon for example thats prone to flooding by sea water, this system enables trains to still run with no track voltage present.
The voltage that opperates the signalling system is low, it can be as low as 2 volts DC depending on the type of track circuit. (there are many) When it encounters stuff like ballast, dirt and other resistances etc it can go down to milli volts!
You mention dangerous voltages, dont forget we still use ‘third rail’ electrification here, energised to 750 volts DC and breakers that will trip at 8’000 AMPS. You dont wana step on that.
Driveroneuk:
Thanks for the explanation Gembo. I would have thought that 2v would soon disappear when it rains or along any length of track.
Yeah, i agree, beats the crap outa me too! I got the 2 volt bit from a mate of mine that works on it every day. They measure it with Fluke meters and he said it goes to less than a volt but thats all thats needed to flick the relays in and out as the train moves along the track, leaving and entering one track circuit to the next. Its extremely complicated stuff, you walk into a relay room and you see thousands of wires banded together and banks of relays floor to ceiling! Been in these a few times but i only know the very basics.
one chappie out between Selby Common and Taddy got extremely animated one day 