Bking:
20 miles loaded without touching the brakes!
Where was he running the Australian out back?
Does that figure somehow surprise you? Maybe you should stick to what you do best in that case!
the maoster:
Bking:
20 miles loaded without touching the brakes!
Where was he running the Australian out back?Does that figure somehow surprise you? Maybe you should stick to what you do best in that case!
So he kept the yellow line on to supply the brakes?
chaversdad:
I always carry a couple of plastic push on connectors for such an emergency, cost £1 each and have got me out the [zb] a few times over the years
Sorry to sound dumb here!! Always good to pick up a tip or 2 from you more experienced truckers where can I acquire these “£1” connectors , I’m not afraid to put my hand up n learn a thing or 2 from you guys n gals all tips appreciated… But please leave any lube jokes at the back door!!! 
Terry T:
K5Project:
Dunno, but when your been recovered in an artic and they put the underlift under your tractor unit and pull the whole lot do you think they have brakes on your unit or the trailerLook closely and you’ll see the suzies, even towing a rigid.
You can only see the red one on this pic but I’ve seen them with both on. Perhaps the yellow is round the other side. Amazingly there aren’t many pics on Google of artics being towed.
Where do you couple a yellow susie to a rigid?
K5Project:
Dunno, but when your been recovered in an artic and they put the underlift under your tractor unit and pull the whole lot do you think they have brakes on your unit or the trailer no? OMG what would VOSA do… WHY DON’T THEY THINK OF THE CHILDRENGeez what is it recently with all the stupid posts I’m surprised alot of you even dare start the truck in the morning OMG what happens if it catches fire or opens up a worm hole to another dimension where VOSA will understand its a temp fix as long as your going to place of repair or your yard
You sir have ■■■■ for brains.
Bking:
Where do you couple a yellow susie to a rigid?
Where do you couple a red one lol. No idea mate, was just an example to show that wreckers do use suzies when towing vehicles rather than winding the brakes off and ploughing on. I’ve seen plenty artics with both suzies on.
ashbyspannerman:
Own Account Driver:
Not any huge real risk to road safety, different matter if it happened at the start of a journey up the road and you carried on.If you haven’t got any cable ties you can often kink the red airline and wedge it in a hole in the cat walk.
you’ve got to be kidding, i’d do it if i was empty, even then drive steady, fully freighted no chance, i’d seal the red line off and push the shunt button to get out of the traffic then get it sorted.
From time to time when I’m feeling really lazy I’ll shunt round the yard with just the red line on. It’s amazing even at low speeds how much harder you need to press the pedal to stop. Imagine stopping 40t with a 4x2, only 2 sets of brakes.
If VOSA will do you for faulty ABS then surely running round with no brakes at all has to be far more serious ?
K5Project:
Dunno, but when your been recovered in an artic and they put the underlift under your tractor unit and pull the whole lot do you think they have brakes on your unit or the trailer no? OMG what would VOSA do… WHY DON’T THEY THINK OF THE CHILDRENGeez what is it recently with all the stupid posts I’m surprised alot of you even dare start the truck in the morning OMG what happens if it catches fire or opens up a worm hole to another dimension where VOSA will understand its a temp fix as long as your going to place of repair or your yard
Actually you do have brakes on your trailer when being recovered, or at least a reputable recovery operator should pipe the whole outfit up so you have. The way it is done is to have a red line from the recovery lorry to the unit air tanks, to keep air pressure up so the spring brakes don’t come on, a yellow line is then coupled from the recovery lorry to the trailer so when the footbrake is pressed all the trailer brakes work & best practise is to couple another red line from the recovery lorry direct to the trailer thus providing a fail safe way of towing, here’s one I did earlier. For definition of Reputable Recovery Operator see picture.
If you have a pressure feed to the tractor from the wrecker why do you need another feed to the trailer?
air is pumped into the tractor tanks down stream of the air drier and protection valve,The tractor tanks then supply the trailer tanks through the vehicles own redline.You only need a service signal to the trailer brakes.
Bking:
If you have a pressure feed to the tractor from the wrecker why do you need another feed to the trailer?
air is pumped into the tractor tanks down stream of the air drier and protection valve,The tractor tanks then supply the trailer tanks through the vehicles own redline.You only need a service signal to the trailer brakes.
You have a red line from the recovery vehicle to the unit to feed the air tanks to keep pressure up for the spring brakes to stay released & keep up the suspension, a yellow line to the trailer to supply a service feed & its good practise to put a red line to the trailer because in the unlikely event of the unit & trailer breaking away from the recovery vehicle the red line to the trailer will bring everything to a standstill a lot quicker than waiting for the air in the units’ tanks to drop to a pressure where the spring brakes eventually come on. I hope this clears up your understanding of the need to put so many airlines on to a broken down artic but you can never be too careful.
Often feed the unit via a test-point input which is a more restrictive to air flow coupling than the C on the red into the trailer if/when the trailer starts using air that input can’t keep up with demand.
You cant feed air into a tractor through the red line. you never heard of a 5 way protection valve. you know nothing, so shut up.
why do folk like you spout crap and try to tell folk a load of bollox?
Mushroom elements in the protection valve will stop any back feed through the red line.
This is why the CPC is tripe because people like you who know jack suddenly have the “knowledge” that has took me and folk like me 40 years to learn.
Now go away and tell the other “experts” how clever you are
Bking:
You cant feed air into a tractor through the red line. you never heard of a 5 way protection valve. you know nothing, so shut up.
why do folk like you spout crap and try to tell folk a load of bollox?
Mushroom elements in the protection valve will stop any back feed through the red line.
This is why the CPC is tripe because people like you who know jack suddenly have the “knowledge” that has took me and folk like me 40 years to learn.
Now go away and tell the other “experts” how clever you are
1970commer:
Bking:
You cant feed air into a tractor through the red line. you never heard of a 5 way protection valve. you know nothing, so shut up.
why do folk like you spout crap and try to tell folk a load of bollox?
Mushroom elements in the protection valve will stop any back feed through the red line.
This is why the CPC is tripe because people like you who know jack suddenly have the “knowledge” that has took me and folk like me 40 years to learn.
Now go away and tell the other “experts” how clever you areOh dear, another ill informed reply from Bking, all anyone on here would expect though, factually incorrect information linked with insulting words all mixed up with a bad attitude of " I know everything & no-one else knows anything & even if what I say is wrong then everybody had better believe it."
Perhaps that was why you got a warning about your behaviour of Rikki UK, the moderator for this forum, on the runaway engine thread a few weeks ago, here are Rikki UKs’ own words to you in case you had forgot.
“And you sir have been quite conclusively proved to be in error- I suggest you knock off the personal attacks
if the personal attacks continue then we will have to look at wether we can let you post unsupervised”Back to the red line topic though, you do not seem to understand the basic principle of feeding a broken down lorries’ air system from a recovery vehicle so I will explain it to you in simple terms, no doubt this will then give you the opportunity to reply with an answer which defies the laws of anything mechanical but in your own tiny mind is achievable, this answer will no doubt be worded in your usual angry manner & filled with insults but hey, that’s all we have come to expect from you. This answer will no doubt be written as you stand at the stores counter for a very long time after your supervisor sent you there and told you to ask the store man for a long weight.
A red air line is connected from a breakdown vehicle to feed the air tanks of a tractor unit, this can be connected through a blow up point as provided on most vehicles or we have been known to have to break into the vehicles air feed lines with a variety of connectors, all carried on our recovery lorries, or even take a drain valve out of a main air tank & screw a feed directly into there, all these methods work. we then connect a service line to an artic trailer and an emergency line as well, the purpose of this second emergency line is not to feed the vehicle air system but to provide a fail safe system for the worst case scenario, I do hope you can now understand the air feed system used from a recovery vehicle to a broken down vehicle as carried out by professional recovery operators
I would phone VOSA and ask for their advice
Why not back the chambers off?Simple enough in case of “the worst case scenario”
And how do you “break into” a vehicles air system?Each circuit is protected so you break into axle 1 tank then axle 2 tank then trailer circuit?
You talk absolute crap.
Thats why I “rant and swear” because “experts” like yourself get listened to and you know jack .
Was thinking the same thing yes you can run as long as the trailer is has full air but personally id have used the shunt with out any lines as using the breaks will use the air up in the trailer
Bking:
Why not back the chambers off?Simple enough in case of “the worst case scenario”
And how do you “break into” a vehicles air system?Each circuit is protected so you break into axle 1 tank then axle 2 tank then trailer circuit?
You talk absolute crap.
Thats why I “rant and swear” because “experts” like yourself get listened to and you know jack .
Just as predicted, an ill informed rant with no purpose other than to make yourself look a bigger fool than everyone on Trucknet already has you down for, lets take this one step at a time so even simple people can understand.
You do not “back the chambers off” as you so eloquently put it, I take it you mean winding the spring brake back, as this leaves the broken down vehicle with no park brake when you take it off the recovery lorry, also the brakes would not work if the vehicle was to come detached by accident.
Step 2 you can “break into” a vehicles’ air system to assist recovery in various ways, if the vehicle you are going to recover has say a faulty air drier you can disconnect the pipe on the air tank side of the drier, screw in a fitting, as quoted before, carried on the recovery lorry, then inflate the tanks from there, or as a last resort find which tank feeds the spring brakes and take the drain bung out, screw a fitting in and inflate.
As I previously explained these are all roadside fixes on broken down vehicles, sometimes things don’t go to plan when you arrive on scene and you have to improvise, I would not expect some one with your limited understanding of things mechanical to be able to take all this information in but believe me it works, I have probably forgot more than you have ever known “Expert”
Oh, and next time your supervisor asks you to go to the stores for some grinding sparks, ask the store man if he has an Oxford English Dictionary you could borrow, they are full of words used by most civilised people and their meanings too. Learning some of them, and how to string them together in a coherent manner, may do something to get the people reading your posts to understand you better, as for your lack of mechanical knowledge, I and most other people on here think you are a lost cause. I await your reply using more of the Queens’ English than you normally do.
“Find the tank that feeds the spring brakes”
Do you have any idea what the hell your on about?
Lets try a question then?
So you got a burst airbag bleeding air,and then you got you in your fancy wrecker what do you do to get the outfit home? And I dont mean a 500 quid drag back.
Or better still mr recovery man you got no compressed air(the compressors goosed) no way to pick up the truck Your in a transit so what bit of kit should you have with you to get the brakes off just to get the thing out the first lane of the motorway? and how?
This should be simple for an “expert”
I dont have a “supervisor” its all my own decisions.
Find that most supervisors love to take the glory but not the blame.
See thats the difference if I ■■ it up Its down to me not some poor SOB that I can load it on.